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100 locations, so it appears it’s for new locations. The bigger question is “Why?” and “How?”. Gas is more cost efficient than electric. So the cost burden h

100 locations, so it appears it’s for new locations. The bigger question is “Why?” and “How?”. Gas is more cost efficient than electric. So the cost burden has to drop on somebody…likely the consumer. Beyond that, most geographic locations aren’t producing “green” electricity to actually cut down on emissions as Chipotle is claiming. To actually have them cut down on emissions, you essentially have to increase emissions - pulling out raw material, transportation, manufacturing, more transportation..etc. It looks good in marketing, but until we are able to limit emissions in manufacturing and creating electricity, it’s all puff.

das-hinterland 3y ago
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- Eumenes 3y ago
  Agreed. Chipotle use to be really good but its gone down hardcore over the past 3-4 years. The one near me is manned by 16 year old children who refuse to look you in the eye, can't roll a tight burrito, and forget ordering to-go.
- lispisok 3y ago
  I'd love to hear lunch options cheaper than Chipotle that arent McDonalds or similar.
- noahtallen 3y ago
  > Chipotle caters to customers of means. Really weird take. A burrito is $10 after tax in Seattle, a city where lunch can easily be $15 or even $30. While there are certainly cheaper, lower-quality, less-amount-of-food options, Chipotle is definitely not catering to the high-income population. (Price or otherwise)
toomuchtodo 3y ago
Induction stoves. More efficient than gas, more control over heat, and gas distribution pipes leak (we’re spending almost $1B to fix the existing leaky ones). Gas stoves also are unhealthy due to reduction in indoor air quality, a health hazard to both Chipotle line workers and their customers. The electrical grid gets greener every year, gas stoves burn gas their entire life. Just like EVs vs ICE vehicles, and heat pumps vs furnaces. https://www.energystar.gov/partner_resources/brand_owner_resources/spec_dev_effort/2021_residential_induction_cooking_tops https://www.energystar.gov/partner_resources/brand_owner_res... https://reviewed.usatoday.com/ovens/features/induction-101-better-cooking-through-science https://reviewed.usatoday.com/ovens/features/induction-101-b... https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/new-research-reveals-us-gas-pipeline-leaks-have-not-improved-2022-06-23/ https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/new-research-re... https://www.vox.com/policy/2023/3/21/23593644/gas-stove-pollution-science-health-risks https://www.vox.com/policy/2023/3/21/23593644/gas-stove-poll... It’s also on brand for Chipotle (healthy food, treat the planet well, all that jazz). If you’re building new, it makes sense to electrify everything. I’m not sure if they’re taking advantage of tax incentives in the inflation reduction act (or their NNN CRE landlords are and passing it through as a tenant allowance), but it would make sense if they did.
- legitster 3y ago
  This is not technically accurate. a) Health: Most of the studies are VERY preliminary. Only a minor correlation has been found between gas and childhood asthma. And the studies mostly confined themselves to home environments. Commercial kitchens already have much higher standards for ventilation quality. b) Environmental: I think a good case could be made that eventually gas will go away as we transition. But currently it's still being burned off at the wellhead in the US as a waste product. It also only puts out a tiny carbon footprint compared to coal or oil - which would make it a slight improvement over using the average city power grid right now.
  - ratg13 3y ago
    You don’t need a study to tell you inhaling methane, NO, and formaldehyde can be bad for your health. Your argument about the environment is a strawman. The discussion is about gas vs. electric stoves, not gas vs. coal.
- replygirl 3y ago
  > more efficient than gas if there's anywhere waste should be permissible, it's how people prepare their food. for defenses of that i'd refer to arguments in favor of waste in the medical system that address quality of care and outcomes > more control over heat with gas, i choose how far the pan is from the heat source, and i know how much energy is coming out of the burner no matter what stove i'm using because i can look at the flames > gas distribution pipes leak when the gas goes out, which mine never has, i can cook with the toaster oven and heat my home with space heaters. when the power goes out, as it does a few times a year, i can cook with the stove and heat my home with the furnace
  - PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
    > i can look at the flames Samsung and other nice induction units have a visual indicator that while a bit silly from some perspectives, replaces looking at the flames. https://www.google.com/search?q=samsung+induction+flame+indicators&client=firefox-b-1-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiy6uKDgqj-AhUUM30KHXaSBI0Q0pQJegQIAhAE&biw=1778&bih=1170&dpr=0.9 https://www.google.com/search?q=samsung+induction+flame+indi...

das-hinterland 3y ago

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Eumenes 3y ago
Agreed. Chipotle use to be really good but its gone down hardcore over the past 3-4 years. The one near me is manned by 16 year old children who refuse to look you in the eye, can't roll a tight burrito, and forget ordering to-go.
lispisok 3y ago
I'd love to hear lunch options cheaper than Chipotle that arent McDonalds or similar.
noahtallen 3y ago
> Chipotle caters to customers of means. Really weird take. A burrito is $10 after tax in Seattle, a city where lunch can easily be $15 or even $30. While there are certainly cheaper, lower-quality, less-amount-of-food options, Chipotle is definitely not catering to the high-income population. (Price or otherwise)

toomuchtodo 3y ago

Induction stoves. More efficient than gas, more control over heat, and gas distribution pipes leak (we’re spending almost $1B to fix the existing leaky ones). Gas stoves also are unhealthy due to reduction in indoor air quality, a health hazard to both Chipotle line workers and their customers. The electrical grid gets greener every year, gas stoves burn gas their entire life. Just like EVs vs ICE vehicles, and heat pumps vs furnaces. https://www.energystar.gov/partner_resources/brand_owner_resources/spec_dev_effort/2021_residential_induction_cooking_tops https://www.energystar.gov/partner_resources/brand_owner_res... https://reviewed.usatoday.com/ovens/features/induction-101-better-cooking-through-science https://reviewed.usatoday.com/ovens/features/induction-101-b... https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/new-research-reveals-us-gas-pipeline-leaks-have-not-improved-2022-06-23/ https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/new-research-re... https://www.vox.com/policy/2023/3/21/23593644/gas-stove-pollution-science-health-risks https://www.vox.com/policy/2023/3/21/23593644/gas-stove-poll... It’s also on brand for Chipotle (healthy food, treat the planet well, all that jazz). If you’re building new, it makes sense to electrify everything. I’m not sure if they’re taking advantage of tax incentives in the inflation reduction act (or their NNN CRE landlords are and passing it through as a tenant allowance), but it would make sense if they did.

legitster 3y ago
This is not technically accurate. a) Health: Most of the studies are VERY preliminary. Only a minor correlation has been found between gas and childhood asthma. And the studies mostly confined themselves to home environments. Commercial kitchens already have much higher standards for ventilation quality. b) Environmental: I think a good case could be made that eventually gas will go away as we transition. But currently it's still being burned off at the wellhead in the US as a waste product. It also only puts out a tiny carbon footprint compared to coal or oil - which would make it a slight improvement over using the average city power grid right now.
- ratg13 3y ago
  You don’t need a study to tell you inhaling methane, NO, and formaldehyde can be bad for your health. Your argument about the environment is a strawman. The discussion is about gas vs. electric stoves, not gas vs. coal.
replygirl 3y ago
> more efficient than gas if there's anywhere waste should be permissible, it's how people prepare their food. for defenses of that i'd refer to arguments in favor of waste in the medical system that address quality of care and outcomes > more control over heat with gas, i choose how far the pan is from the heat source, and i know how much energy is coming out of the burner no matter what stove i'm using because i can look at the flames > gas distribution pipes leak when the gas goes out, which mine never has, i can cook with the toaster oven and heat my home with space heaters. when the power goes out, as it does a few times a year, i can cook with the stove and heat my home with the furnace
- PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
  > i can look at the flames Samsung and other nice induction units have a visual indicator that while a bit silly from some perspectives, replaces looking at the flames. https://www.google.com/search?q=samsung+induction+flame+indicators&client=firefox-b-1-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiy6uKDgqj-AhUUM30KHXaSBI0Q0pQJegQIAhAE&biw=1778&bih=1170&dpr=0.9 https://www.google.com/search?q=samsung+induction+flame+indi...