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Saying slurs doesn't mean you believe in a particular ideology. He may have just been saying them to be edgy (unless there is further evidence I have missed).

well_actulily 3y ago
If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family Anatidae on our hands.
- qingdao99 3y ago
  Antisemitism is not exclusive to Nazism at all. This is a news article. They don't just write things for no reason. They wrote "Antisemitic slurs" because they saw Antisemitic slurs.
  - well_actulily 3y ago
    Perhaps you meant to reply to a different comment. I was responding to the previous commenter's apparent attempt to explain-away antisemitic slurs as mere "be[ing] edgy" rather than being indicative of antisemitic belief, not trying to specifically nail down this alleged leaker's specific political affiliations.
    - qingdao99 3y ago
      You must not have spent a lot of time online in spaces with edgy teenagers. It truly is just about being edgy a lot of the time.
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        eldritch_4ier 3y ago
        He doesn't need to seek any redemption from people like you. You and others like you are thankfully nothing close to being a moral authority. You have more in common with the christian fundamentalists who thought saying "hell" in music was satanic than you think, and just like them it only represents how closed minded you are to all the ways people can safely express themselves.
        mthoms 3y ago
        Not at all the same thing as saying “hell”. This is child-level logic.
      - lamontcg 3y ago
        > It truly is just about being edgy a lot of the time. I literally don't care. If they want me to stop thinking that they're racists/nazis/fascists they can stop saying racist/nazi/fascist shit. Not my problem to give them any consideration. They can stop any time they want.
  - lazyeye 3y ago
    Of course they don't write things for no reason, it's just that the reason may be something other than it's the truth. Take the Russian collusion hoax for example....
nappy-doo 3y ago
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- lurquer 3y ago
  Only a Sith speaks in absolutes…
- eldritch_4ier 3y ago
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howlingfantods 3y ago
If you can't judge someone by their actions, what can you judge them on?
- Rebelgecko 3y ago
  Their words, apparently
  - throwway120385 3y ago
    Words precede actions.
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    - gadders 3y ago
      You must not listen to politicians.
      - throwway120385 3y ago
        I've been to several county council meetings as well as committee meetings for different interest groups in my locale. I know it looks like they don't get anything done but it's actually REALLY complicated because literally everyone is a stakeholder. The councilors that I've seen are not bad people and they don't try to lie. You're painting with a really broad brush if you think all politicians do nothing.
- senectus1 3y ago
  Their elected representatives
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krapp 3y ago
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- qingdao99 3y ago
  Indeed - edgy teenage online humor.
  - krapp 3y ago
    ... by teenagers who inevitably grow up to be racists. And the gunman was not online at the time, and likely not a teenager. I don't know why you've decided to be the person defending the art of bigotry in this thread but maybe you should find a more productive use of your time.
    - nyolfen 3y ago
      many of the now dyed-in-the-hair socjus types i knew as a teenager were racist channers 15 years ago
    - qingdao99 3y ago
      It's not defending bigotry to state that Antisemitism is not exclusive to Nazism.
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    - chucksta 3y ago
      You've never said something off color to get a rise from someone? I've said some terrible things but am largely a good person. No one is perfect.
      - mthoms 3y ago
        Okay, but after saying things like that — the onus is on him to prove he didn't mean it, or that he's sincerely sorry. I don't want to live in a world where people who say racist taunts are given the benefit of the doubt by default.
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- eldritch_4ier 3y ago
  Have you ever even jokingly mentioned "seizing the means for production"? I guess you're a communist of the same ilk that killed a hundred million right? Of course not, you're just a moral puritan. For the record, I and many others have the levity and intellectual capacity to poke fun at a lot of edgy topics without being subscribed to them. Maybe you lack that capability and just project that on others?
jcranmer 3y ago
I would say Popehat's law of goats applies: even if you say you're only fucking goats ironically, you're still a goatfucker.
- mayormcmatt 3y ago
  Haha, thank you for this -- I was uninitiated to the saying.
- eldritch_4ier 3y ago
  This doesn't make any sense in actually real humans. Of course you can make edgy jokes you don't believe. This is clear to everyone in society except a rotating cast of puritans, where a decade+ ago they fundamentalist christians, now they are fundamentalist progressives.
  - rootusrootus 3y ago
    > you can make edgy jokes you don't believe Sure, but that does not require everyone else to believe your "I'm just being edgy" explanation. It's reasonable to take you at face value.
toss1 3y ago
>>...doesn't mean you believe in a particular ideology It sure as hell means that you more than tolerate that "ideology", and are happy to enable and encourage abuse and worse of the targets. IOW, just because you claim to be doing something "just for the lulz" or "to be edgy", does not get you out of being rigltly judged to be, at best, an asshat
- chucksta 3y ago
  asshat sure, I think everyone has been there. Neo-nazi? no.
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libraryatnight 3y ago
Teenage edgelord logic isn't panning out, it doesnt matter much to me anymore if you mean it, are being ironic, or whatever bit of plausible deniability they hide behind. Its making the world an actively worse place whether they believe the things they say or not.

well_actulily 3y ago

If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family Anatidae on our hands.

qingdao99 3y ago
Antisemitism is not exclusive to Nazism at all. This is a news article. They don't just write things for no reason. They wrote "Antisemitic slurs" because they saw Antisemitic slurs.
- well_actulily 3y ago
  Perhaps you meant to reply to a different comment. I was responding to the previous commenter's apparent attempt to explain-away antisemitic slurs as mere "be[ing] edgy" rather than being indicative of antisemitic belief, not trying to specifically nail down this alleged leaker's specific political affiliations.
  - qingdao99 3y ago
    You must not have spent a lot of time online in spaces with edgy teenagers. It truly is just about being edgy a lot of the time.
    - libraryatnight 3y ago
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      - eldritch_4ier 3y ago
        He doesn't need to seek any redemption from people like you. You and others like you are thankfully nothing close to being a moral authority. You have more in common with the christian fundamentalists who thought saying "hell" in music was satanic than you think, and just like them it only represents how closed minded you are to all the ways people can safely express themselves.
        mthoms 3y ago
        Not at all the same thing as saying “hell”. This is child-level logic.
    - lamontcg 3y ago
      > It truly is just about being edgy a lot of the time. I literally don't care. If they want me to stop thinking that they're racists/nazis/fascists they can stop saying racist/nazi/fascist shit. Not my problem to give them any consideration. They can stop any time they want.
- lazyeye 3y ago
  Of course they don't write things for no reason, it's just that the reason may be something other than it's the truth. Take the Russian collusion hoax for example....

nappy-doo 3y ago

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lurquer 3y ago
Only a Sith speaks in absolutes…
eldritch_4ier 3y ago
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howlingfantods 3y ago

If you can't judge someone by their actions, what can you judge them on?

Rebelgecko 3y ago
Their words, apparently
- throwway120385 3y ago
  Words precede actions.
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  - gadders 3y ago
    You must not listen to politicians.
    - throwway120385 3y ago
      I've been to several county council meetings as well as committee meetings for different interest groups in my locale. I know it looks like they don't get anything done but it's actually REALLY complicated because literally everyone is a stakeholder. The councilors that I've seen are not bad people and they don't try to lie. You're painting with a really broad brush if you think all politicians do nothing.
senectus1 3y ago
Their elected representatives

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krapp 3y ago

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qingdao99 3y ago
Indeed - edgy teenage online humor.
- krapp 3y ago
  ... by teenagers who inevitably grow up to be racists. And the gunman was not online at the time, and likely not a teenager. I don't know why you've decided to be the person defending the art of bigotry in this thread but maybe you should find a more productive use of your time.
  - nyolfen 3y ago
    many of the now dyed-in-the-hair socjus types i knew as a teenager were racist channers 15 years ago
  - qingdao99 3y ago
    It's not defending bigotry to state that Antisemitism is not exclusive to Nazism.
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  - chucksta 3y ago
    You've never said something off color to get a rise from someone? I've said some terrible things but am largely a good person. No one is perfect.
    - mthoms 3y ago
      Okay, but after saying things like that — the onus is on him to prove he didn't mean it, or that he's sincerely sorry. I don't want to live in a world where people who say racist taunts are given the benefit of the doubt by default.

nyc_data_geek1 3y ago

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eldritch_4ier 3y ago
Have you ever even jokingly mentioned "seizing the means for production"? I guess you're a communist of the same ilk that killed a hundred million right? Of course not, you're just a moral puritan. For the record, I and many others have the levity and intellectual capacity to poke fun at a lot of edgy topics without being subscribed to them. Maybe you lack that capability and just project that on others?

jcranmer 3y ago

I would say Popehat's law of goats applies: even if you say you're only fucking goats ironically, you're still a goatfucker.

mayormcmatt 3y ago
Haha, thank you for this -- I was uninitiated to the saying.
eldritch_4ier 3y ago
This doesn't make any sense in actually real humans. Of course you can make edgy jokes you don't believe. This is clear to everyone in society except a rotating cast of puritans, where a decade+ ago they fundamentalist christians, now they are fundamentalist progressives.
- rootusrootus 3y ago
  > you can make edgy jokes you don't believe Sure, but that does not require everyone else to believe your "I'm just being edgy" explanation. It's reasonable to take you at face value.

toss1 3y ago

>>...doesn't mean you believe in a particular ideology It sure as hell means that you more than tolerate that "ideology", and are happy to enable and encourage abuse and worse of the targets. IOW, just because you claim to be doing something "just for the lulz" or "to be edgy", does not get you out of being rigltly judged to be, at best, an asshat

chucksta 3y ago
asshat sure, I think everyone has been there. Neo-nazi? no.
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libraryatnight 3y ago

Teenage edgelord logic isn't panning out, it doesnt matter much to me anymore if you mean it, are being ironic, or whatever bit of plausible deniability they hide behind. Its making the world an actively worse place whether they believe the things they say or not.