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People see homelessness and open drug use and petty property crime, filter it through their ideological lens, and amplify that into feeling that they are themse

People see homelessness and open drug use and petty property crime, filter it through their ideological lens, and amplify that into feeling that they are themselves somehow less safe. You can assert that that is rational, but it's as connected to reality as someone feeling afraid when e.g. a black person is walking behind them. Saying stuff like "a lot of [violent] crime goes unreported" is straight up fanciful thinking, and leads one to make claims that aren't falsifiable. People aren't reporting assaults? Sounds completely absurd.

scarmig 3y ago
> People aren't reporting assaults? Sounds completely absurd. One reason this explanation falls flat is that reported and recorded property crimes have risen more. If the city were exceptionally underreporting crimes compared to the past or other cities, you'd see those disappear from the statistics more than e.g. homicides; it's much easier to ignore a stolen phone than it is a dead body.
- joncrocks 3y ago
  Could that not be that you need to report/record a crime for insurance purposes? There might be a good reason people would report some crimes over others for reasons over and above simply for the sake of reporting them/having them solved.
pclmulqdq 3y ago
I have personally witnessed a few assaults in NYC that I am sure went unreported. I don't think it's the same kind of thing you're thinking of: these are things like fights that happen in bars, which are usually handled without police involvement, not random attacks on the street. And claims about unreported crime are falsifiable - see studies like this one https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/vnrp0610.pdf https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/vnrp0610.pdf
mixmastamyk 3y ago
Very privileged take there. My wife justifiably feels unsafe in our similar city: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35531439 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35531439 In that comment I didn’t even get to the new stories about a brick being thrown, creeps following her, or last night’s gun falling out of the pants of a meth head at the bus stop. I would feel unsafe as well, not like I’m immune to bullets. Minimizing this stuff just because it was mentioned in the wrong thread is ignoring real problems. Two things can be true at once.
bigtex88 3y ago
That IS a less safe space. What are you actually talking about? An area with homeless, open drug use, and petty property crime is 100% a more dangerous area. No one would allow their children to go walking through an area like. Seriously what sort of weird ideological rant are you on in this thread? You have some really bizarre thinking regarding this issue.
cscurmudgeon 3y ago
I was assaulted twice and didn't report. https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/San-Francisco-crime-Chesa-Boudin-London-Breed-16751930.php https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/San-Francisco-crime-Che... > Rapes, robberies and assaults are still well below pre-pandemic levels, and because violent crime is generally less likely to go unreported than property crimes, it would not be inaccurate to say that general levels of violent crime are lower now than they were a few years ago.

scarmig 3y ago

> People aren't reporting assaults? Sounds completely absurd. One reason this explanation falls flat is that reported and recorded property crimes have risen more. If the city were exceptionally underreporting crimes compared to the past or other cities, you'd see those disappear from the statistics more than e.g. homicides; it's much easier to ignore a stolen phone than it is a dead body.

joncrocks 3y ago
Could that not be that you need to report/record a crime for insurance purposes? There might be a good reason people would report some crimes over others for reasons over and above simply for the sake of reporting them/having them solved.

pclmulqdq 3y ago

I have personally witnessed a few assaults in NYC that I am sure went unreported. I don't think it's the same kind of thing you're thinking of: these are things like fights that happen in bars, which are usually handled without police involvement, not random attacks on the street. And claims about unreported crime are falsifiable - see studies like this one https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/vnrp0610.pdf https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/vnrp0610.pdf

mixmastamyk 3y ago

Very privileged take there. My wife justifiably feels unsafe in our similar city: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35531439 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35531439 In that comment I didn’t even get to the new stories about a brick being thrown, creeps following her, or last night’s gun falling out of the pants of a meth head at the bus stop. I would feel unsafe as well, not like I’m immune to bullets. Minimizing this stuff just because it was mentioned in the wrong thread is ignoring real problems. Two things can be true at once.

bigtex88 3y ago

That IS a less safe space. What are you actually talking about? An area with homeless, open drug use, and petty property crime is 100% a more dangerous area. No one would allow their children to go walking through an area like. Seriously what sort of weird ideological rant are you on in this thread? You have some really bizarre thinking regarding this issue.

cscurmudgeon 3y ago

I was assaulted twice and didn't report. https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/San-Francisco-crime-Chesa-Boudin-London-Breed-16751930.php https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/San-Francisco-crime-Che... > Rapes, robberies and assaults are still well below pre-pandemic levels, and because violent crime is generally less likely to go unreported than property crimes, it would not be inaccurate to say that general levels of violent crime are lower now than they were a few years ago.