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C# GC, MS and external libraries, build, docs, tools support (especially for Linux) are all worse than Java.

by andresp 3y ago

pharmakom 3y ago
How so? Linux is a first class citizen in .NET these days.
- pjmlp 3y ago
  A first class citzen would have support for MAUI, and something better than VSCode like macOS gets VS4Mac.
  - Kwpolska 3y ago
    JetBrains Rider is available for Windows, Linux, and macOS, and it's much better than VS, VS for Mac, and VSCode. It's not free, but VS isn't either for any serious commercial usage, and Rider is certainly worth the money.
    - pjmlp 3y ago
      Workarounds, and still doesn't fix the issues lacking from the company that owns .NET.
      - Kwpolska 3y ago
        What does the company that owns Java offer? Their Java IDE is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JDeveloper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JDeveloper and nobody uses that. The latest release came out in 2019. Everyone is using IntelliJ IDEA or perhaps Eclipse. What does the Python core community offer? IDLE is ugly, is barely an IDE, and didn’t have line numbers until a few years ago. Everyone is using PyCharm or VSCode.
        MaxBarraclough 3y ago
        NetBeans is also still going, although I don't think it has many users.
        pjmlp 3y ago
        IBM also makes Java, it offers Eclipse. Sun made Java, it offered Netbeans. As for the Python community, no one expects great tooling from FOSS languages, as you mention everyone is using tooling from two big corporations.
  - jayd16 3y ago
    Does Java even have a MAUI equivalent? There are other open source frameworks for GUI apps. This feels like goal post shifting.
    - kaba0 3y ago
      The point is cross-platformness and windows does have MAUI, so not having it on linux means it is not a first-class target.
      - metaltyphoon 3y ago
        MAUI is just another workload of the dotnet ecosystem. There is no technical reason for it not to work on Linux outside of someone actually doing so. This has nothing to do with C# at all.
- papichulo2023 3y ago
  Except for all ui-only windows-only stuff.
- kaba0 3y ago
  You don’t become a first class citizen overnight. Also, last time I checked .NET lacks something as trivial as an open-source debugger.
  - Rapzid 3y ago
    It's been many moons, also there is an OSS debugger produced by Samsung.
jayd16 3y ago
MSBuild is actually really nice, haha. I wish Gradle was that simple.

C# GC, MS and external libraries, build, docs, tools support (especially for Linux) are all worse than Java.

pharmakom 3y ago

How so? Linux is a first class citizen in .NET these days.

pjmlp 3y ago
A first class citzen would have support for MAUI, and something better than VSCode like macOS gets VS4Mac.
- Kwpolska 3y ago
  JetBrains Rider is available for Windows, Linux, and macOS, and it's much better than VS, VS for Mac, and VSCode. It's not free, but VS isn't either for any serious commercial usage, and Rider is certainly worth the money.
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    Workarounds, and still doesn't fix the issues lacking from the company that owns .NET.
    - Kwpolska 3y ago
      What does the company that owns Java offer? Their Java IDE is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JDeveloper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JDeveloper and nobody uses that. The latest release came out in 2019. Everyone is using IntelliJ IDEA or perhaps Eclipse. What does the Python core community offer? IDLE is ugly, is barely an IDE, and didn’t have line numbers until a few years ago. Everyone is using PyCharm or VSCode.
      - MaxBarraclough 3y ago
        NetBeans is also still going, although I don't think it has many users.
      - pjmlp 3y ago
        IBM also makes Java, it offers Eclipse. Sun made Java, it offered Netbeans. As for the Python community, no one expects great tooling from FOSS languages, as you mention everyone is using tooling from two big corporations.
- jayd16 3y ago
  Does Java even have a MAUI equivalent? There are other open source frameworks for GUI apps. This feels like goal post shifting.
  - kaba0 3y ago
    The point is cross-platformness and windows does have MAUI, so not having it on linux means it is not a first-class target.
    - metaltyphoon 3y ago
      MAUI is just another workload of the dotnet ecosystem. There is no technical reason for it not to work on Linux outside of someone actually doing so. This has nothing to do with C# at all.
papichulo2023 3y ago
Except for all ui-only windows-only stuff.
kaba0 3y ago
You don’t become a first class citizen overnight. Also, last time I checked .NET lacks something as trivial as an open-source debugger.
- Rapzid 3y ago
  It's been many moons, also there is an OSS debugger produced by Samsung.

jayd16 3y ago

MSBuild is actually really nice, haha. I wish Gradle was that simple.