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Author here. You get to have all the moderation, filtering, etc. that is implemented on the servers you use. I'm sure there will be servers that very closely t

by bohm 3y ago

Author here. You get to have all the moderation, filtering, etc. that is implemented on the servers you use. I'm sure there will be servers that very closely try to approximate what Twitter is/has been doing. Servers also can share any and all information needed to effectively moderate.

selectodude 3y ago
So it’s closed source Mastodon?
- bohm 3y ago
  I don't expect it to stay closed source. But there are significant differences to Mastodon. Just to give one example: Mastodon server admins actually can read your private messages. Also Blue Sky's approach to data portability and how to implement filtering/indexing is more developed. It might be personal preference, but I prefer AT Protocol's approach where the servers have less powers, and the users have more power. A lot of little design decisions add up to a qualitative difference.
  - polygamous_bat 3y ago
    I would imagine Twitter server admins can also read your private messages if they really wanted to since Twitter doesn't use E2E encryption. Am I unaware of something/Is there a reason to believe differently?
    - bohm 3y ago
      Yes, another reason to move away. Although Elon has also stated that he's tasked Twitter engineers with working on implementing E2E encrypted DMs.
      - meibo 3y ago
        The remaining Twitter engineers break the API every 2 days and are slowly dismantling a functional UI into an incoherent mess that doesn't load most of the time. I have absolutely no confidence in any e2ee implementation that would be served from twitter.com and trusting Elon or anyone that still claims to speak for Twitter on any security guarantees it offers would be foolish. They also recently broke the API for their "circle tweets" which is supposed to let you create private tweets that only go out to a subset to your followers, and stay private to everyone else, but of course that ended up not working anymore and they ended up in your profile.
      - boyter 3y ago
        I'm not sure how they actually go about doing that though. Unless of course you enter your key and decrypt client side, which I suspect the majority of users won't like. There is nothing stopping this from being implemented in ActivityPub too, and in fact there are already pub/pri keys there to do this. However you still need to trust that the instance you are on and the one your are communicating with play by the rules.
    - dmonitor 3y ago
      With Twitter, I can at least assume the admins don't give a fuck about the average user. On Mastodon, an admin will be serving far fewer users and might actually be motivated to snoop on someone they know.
  - jrm4 3y ago
    Weird I haven't seen this idea: Microblogging shouldn't have private messages. Let people have a profile and a link to an email address or similar and be done with it. I'm not sure why a service designed to publicize things so that everyone can see them ALSO chooses to take on "private messages." I get that's how the big money incumbents see it, but I feel like less would be more here.
    - Entinel 3y ago
      I'm fine getting private messages on platforms but I do not want to put out my email for the general public to contact me. That information is also far more dangerous to put out than just messaging me on a platform. Yes you could just create an email for that purpose but I feel most people won't do that.
- rileyphone 3y ago
  You can use verified domains as handles
- nextlevelwizard 3y ago
  Mastodon needs to at very least change its terminology if it ever wants to be taken seriously. As funny as it is for people to be "tooting" out whatever happens to be in their head in that very moment no one wants to be known as a "tooter" who "toots" frequently.
  - dewey 3y ago
    This was already changed two years ago: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/16080 https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/16080
    - nextlevelwizard 3y ago
      >In this PR, the publish button still says "Toot!" but it's worth thinking about as well.
      - dewey 3y ago
        This is one of many PRs that removed the references to "toot" over the years.
  - nl 3y ago
    Is there any difference between tooting and tweeting really?
    - nextlevelwizard 3y ago
      Other than that "tweeting" is what birds do and "tooting" is term for farting and slang for snorting cocaine? Well, isnt that enough? Whenever I hear someone "tooted" on Mastodon I just imagine them farting while high on cocaine.
    - omeid2 3y ago
      Yes. "toot" sounds far less refined than "tweet". Is it completely subjective? Yes, but if enough people think so, "it is so".
  - 3y ago

by bohm 3y ago

selectodude 3y ago

So it’s closed source Mastodon?

bohm 3y ago
I don't expect it to stay closed source. But there are significant differences to Mastodon. Just to give one example: Mastodon server admins actually can read your private messages. Also Blue Sky's approach to data portability and how to implement filtering/indexing is more developed. It might be personal preference, but I prefer AT Protocol's approach where the servers have less powers, and the users have more power. A lot of little design decisions add up to a qualitative difference.
- polygamous_bat 3y ago
  I would imagine Twitter server admins can also read your private messages if they really wanted to since Twitter doesn't use E2E encryption. Am I unaware of something/Is there a reason to believe differently?
  - bohm 3y ago
    Yes, another reason to move away. Although Elon has also stated that he's tasked Twitter engineers with working on implementing E2E encrypted DMs.
    - meibo 3y ago
      The remaining Twitter engineers break the API every 2 days and are slowly dismantling a functional UI into an incoherent mess that doesn't load most of the time. I have absolutely no confidence in any e2ee implementation that would be served from twitter.com and trusting Elon or anyone that still claims to speak for Twitter on any security guarantees it offers would be foolish. They also recently broke the API for their "circle tweets" which is supposed to let you create private tweets that only go out to a subset to your followers, and stay private to everyone else, but of course that ended up not working anymore and they ended up in your profile.
    - boyter 3y ago
      I'm not sure how they actually go about doing that though. Unless of course you enter your key and decrypt client side, which I suspect the majority of users won't like. There is nothing stopping this from being implemented in ActivityPub too, and in fact there are already pub/pri keys there to do this. However you still need to trust that the instance you are on and the one your are communicating with play by the rules.
  - dmonitor 3y ago
    With Twitter, I can at least assume the admins don't give a fuck about the average user. On Mastodon, an admin will be serving far fewer users and might actually be motivated to snoop on someone they know.
- jrm4 3y ago
  Weird I haven't seen this idea: Microblogging shouldn't have private messages. Let people have a profile and a link to an email address or similar and be done with it. I'm not sure why a service designed to publicize things so that everyone can see them ALSO chooses to take on "private messages." I get that's how the big money incumbents see it, but I feel like less would be more here.
  - Entinel 3y ago
    I'm fine getting private messages on platforms but I do not want to put out my email for the general public to contact me. That information is also far more dangerous to put out than just messaging me on a platform. Yes you could just create an email for that purpose but I feel most people won't do that.
rileyphone 3y ago
You can use verified domains as handles
nextlevelwizard 3y ago
Mastodon needs to at very least change its terminology if it ever wants to be taken seriously. As funny as it is for people to be "tooting" out whatever happens to be in their head in that very moment no one wants to be known as a "tooter" who "toots" frequently.
- dewey 3y ago
  This was already changed two years ago: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/16080 https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/16080
  - nextlevelwizard 3y ago
    >In this PR, the publish button still says "Toot!" but it's worth thinking about as well.
    - dewey 3y ago
      This is one of many PRs that removed the references to "toot" over the years.
- nl 3y ago
  Is there any difference between tooting and tweeting really?
  - nextlevelwizard 3y ago
    Other than that "tweeting" is what birds do and "tooting" is term for farting and slang for snorting cocaine? Well, isnt that enough? Whenever I hear someone "tooted" on Mastodon I just imagine them farting while high on cocaine.
  - omeid2 3y ago
    Yes. "toot" sounds far less refined than "tweet". Is it completely subjective? Yes, but if enough people think so, "it is so".
- 3y ago