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This already happens with Nespresso coffee machines (they have an SIM that connects to the Internet, whether you want it or not). That day is already yesterday.

robocat 3y ago
A SIM? Reference?
shrike 3y ago
Wow, they sure do. Page 29 of the user guide for the Nespresso Zenius says - This coffee machine is equipped with M2M (Machine to Machine) techology which may be activated in due time with your agreement. Thanks to a SIM card already integrated in the machine, such network connections will offer new services (subject to further terms and conditions) to its customers and improve the after sales process by automatically communicating machine troubleshooting / diagnostics to our Customer Relationship Centre (depending on country requirements and specificities). https://www.nespresso.com/shared_res/manuals/zenius/www_Zenius_Z2B_Nespresso(EN).pdf https://www.nespresso.com/shared_res/manuals/zenius/www_Zeni...
- oblio 3y ago
  I imagine that can be disabled physically?
  - YurgenJurgensen 3y ago
    I also imagine that naïve attempts to disable it would be interpreted as a way of defeating some kind of always-online DRM on the coffee pods. And if coffee pods don't come with always-online DRM yet, I'm honestly surprised at Nespresso's lack of dedication to this dystopia.
    - hilbert42 3y ago
      If that's the case then it cannot be used in any place/location where there is no signal. If so, then there would be hell to pay the first time if happened. If it works sans connection, then do what I've said elsewwhere and that's to cut or short out the antenna lead. Removing the SIM may be deemed provocative by the manufacturer, if there's no signal reception then that's a different matter (the user can't be blamed).
  - blep_ 3y ago
    Everything can be disabled physically.
    - dexterdog 3y ago
      Except an escalator
    - vhcr 3y ago
      It's going to be hard if they're using an eSIM.
  - freedomben 3y ago
    doubtful. I'm sure it will refuse to work if it can't talk to home base, and that home base will have some sort of certificate pinning so only their servers can authorize it do make the coffee.
- peterfarkas 3y ago
  What a time to be alive. This should be disclosed on the front page of the manual and not hidden in the smallprint. And it should come with instructions on how to disable it with a physical switch.
- fghsqwads 3y ago
  Now I want a used one just to rip open and find the SIM card. I wonder if I can use it for mobile data.
  - elteto 3y ago
    You can’t rip out eSIMs.
hilbert42 3y ago
For heaven's sake just cut the leads that freed the antenna with a razor blade or box cutter. All over, done permanently. Never another internet connection.

robocat 3y ago

A SIM? Reference?

shrike 3y ago

Wow, they sure do. Page 29 of the user guide for the Nespresso Zenius says - This coffee machine is equipped with M2M (Machine to Machine) techology which may be activated in due time with your agreement. Thanks to a SIM card already integrated in the machine, such network connections will offer new services (subject to further terms and conditions) to its customers and improve the after sales process by automatically communicating machine troubleshooting / diagnostics to our Customer Relationship Centre (depending on country requirements and specificities). https://www.nespresso.com/shared_res/manuals/zenius/www_Zenius_Z2B_Nespresso(EN).pdf https://www.nespresso.com/shared_res/manuals/zenius/www_Zeni...

oblio 3y ago
I imagine that can be disabled physically?
- YurgenJurgensen 3y ago
  I also imagine that naïve attempts to disable it would be interpreted as a way of defeating some kind of always-online DRM on the coffee pods. And if coffee pods don't come with always-online DRM yet, I'm honestly surprised at Nespresso's lack of dedication to this dystopia.
  - hilbert42 3y ago
    If that's the case then it cannot be used in any place/location where there is no signal. If so, then there would be hell to pay the first time if happened. If it works sans connection, then do what I've said elsewwhere and that's to cut or short out the antenna lead. Removing the SIM may be deemed provocative by the manufacturer, if there's no signal reception then that's a different matter (the user can't be blamed).
- blep_ 3y ago
  Everything can be disabled physically.
  - dexterdog 3y ago
    Except an escalator
  - vhcr 3y ago
    It's going to be hard if they're using an eSIM.
- freedomben 3y ago
  doubtful. I'm sure it will refuse to work if it can't talk to home base, and that home base will have some sort of certificate pinning so only their servers can authorize it do make the coffee.
peterfarkas 3y ago
What a time to be alive. This should be disclosed on the front page of the manual and not hidden in the smallprint. And it should come with instructions on how to disable it with a physical switch.
fghsqwads 3y ago
Now I want a used one just to rip open and find the SIM card. I wonder if I can use it for mobile data.
- elteto 3y ago
  You can’t rip out eSIMs.

hilbert42 3y ago

For heaven's sake just cut the leads that freed the antenna with a razor blade or box cutter. All over, done permanently. Never another internet connection.