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Sources?

by andersentobias 3y ago

Sources?

bazoom42 3y ago
Is this question in good faith? Wagner recruiting from prisons have been widely reported.
eitland 3y ago
Do you read Russian?
- WeylandYutani 3y ago
  You can read the Moscow Times, an English language newspaper. They relocated to Amsterdam iirc and is owned by Derk Sauer who was booted out of Russia. He also writes interesting opinion pieces in het Parool about the re Stalinisation of Russia. Fascinating stuff. Ofcourse I have no idea if the majority of Russians really care- Stalin was very popular.
_visgean 3y ago
> Regular people receiving sentences of 7 years in colonies for anti-war posts or statements well apart from the from the article on which you are commenitng, you can read this https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/03/russia-student-blogger-sentenced-to-long-imprisonment-in-brutal-repression-of-anti-war-dissent/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/03/russia-studen... > At the same time - convicted murderers are freed to volunteer to fight against Ukraine and are given state honors e.g. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/26/world/europe/wagner-fighters-burial-russia.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/26/world/europe/wagner-fight...
- codedokode 3y ago
  Legally there is no penalty for being against the war or against the government. Actually it is the opposite - calling for war or helping to start it might be illegal. The law punishes for spreading falseful information or discrediting use of armed forces in interests of Russia. For example, for falsefully claiming that special military operation against West-supported neo-nazis preparing an attack against Russia is actually a war or that army allegedly attacks civilian buildings and infrastructure. For this you can get to jail. For the same reason, posting messages like 'no to war' online will get you in legal trouble (and replacing 'war' with asterisks won't help; there was someone who got a fine for holding a poster with asterisks only). Holding Ukranian flag obviously will get you in trouble too although I don't know how exactly this discredits armed forces. Recently I read that a protester with a poster "arrest me if you are agaisnt the war" was arrested. Better not joke with police. I assume many countries also have laws against spreading falseful information. And holding Russian flag in many countries might get you arrested as well. Can provide a link to relevant legislation if needed.
  - boeingUH60 3y ago
    > For example, for falsefully claiming that special military operation against West-supported neo-nazis preparing an attack against Russia is actually a war or that army allegedly attacks civilian buildings and infrastructure. Spotted: A true patriot repeating all the talking points from his lying government.
    - brohee 3y ago
      I read it as being tongue in cheek.
  - msm_ 3y ago
    > "Legally there is no penalty for being against the war or against the government" > "there was someone who got a fine for holding a poster with asterisks only" > "Holding Ukranian flag obviously will get you in trouble too" I can't imagine how you reconcile these facts in your mind without thinking "ok, maybe Russia is authoritarian". Unless that's sarcasm that went way over my head.
VincentEvans 3y ago
I don’t collect articles, but here’re some results of a google query for “russia sentences for opposing war”: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-moscow-government-and-politics-235ad386cb40fe07357425fdfe6a80f2 https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-moscow-government-... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ilya-yashin-valdimir-putin-critic-prison-sentence-ukraine-war-criticism/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ilya-yashin-valdimir-put... https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/dmitry-ivanov-sergei-smirnov-russia-ukraine-jailed/ https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/dmitry-ivanov-sergei-sm... Here’s one about Wagner: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1741299/Russia-Wagner-Group-Yevgeny-Prigozhin-prison-dissent-Duma https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1741299/Russia-Wagner-G... Again, all these are just top results of a google search.

Sources?

bazoom42 3y ago

Is this question in good faith? Wagner recruiting from prisons have been widely reported.

eitland 3y ago

Do you read Russian?

WeylandYutani 3y ago
You can read the Moscow Times, an English language newspaper. They relocated to Amsterdam iirc and is owned by Derk Sauer who was booted out of Russia. He also writes interesting opinion pieces in het Parool about the re Stalinisation of Russia. Fascinating stuff. Ofcourse I have no idea if the majority of Russians really care- Stalin was very popular.

_visgean 3y ago

> Regular people receiving sentences of 7 years in colonies for anti-war posts or statements well apart from the from the article on which you are commenitng, you can read this https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/03/russia-student-blogger-sentenced-to-long-imprisonment-in-brutal-repression-of-anti-war-dissent/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/03/russia-studen... > At the same time - convicted murderers are freed to volunteer to fight against Ukraine and are given state honors e.g. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/26/world/europe/wagner-fighters-burial-russia.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/26/world/europe/wagner-fight...

codedokode 3y ago
Legally there is no penalty for being against the war or against the government. Actually it is the opposite - calling for war or helping to start it might be illegal. The law punishes for spreading falseful information or discrediting use of armed forces in interests of Russia. For example, for falsefully claiming that special military operation against West-supported neo-nazis preparing an attack against Russia is actually a war or that army allegedly attacks civilian buildings and infrastructure. For this you can get to jail. For the same reason, posting messages like 'no to war' online will get you in legal trouble (and replacing 'war' with asterisks won't help; there was someone who got a fine for holding a poster with asterisks only). Holding Ukranian flag obviously will get you in trouble too although I don't know how exactly this discredits armed forces. Recently I read that a protester with a poster "arrest me if you are agaisnt the war" was arrested. Better not joke with police. I assume many countries also have laws against spreading falseful information. And holding Russian flag in many countries might get you arrested as well. Can provide a link to relevant legislation if needed.
- boeingUH60 3y ago
  > For example, for falsefully claiming that special military operation against West-supported neo-nazis preparing an attack against Russia is actually a war or that army allegedly attacks civilian buildings and infrastructure. Spotted: A true patriot repeating all the talking points from his lying government.
  - brohee 3y ago
    I read it as being tongue in cheek.
- msm_ 3y ago
  > "Legally there is no penalty for being against the war or against the government" > "there was someone who got a fine for holding a poster with asterisks only" > "Holding Ukranian flag obviously will get you in trouble too" I can't imagine how you reconcile these facts in your mind without thinking "ok, maybe Russia is authoritarian". Unless that's sarcasm that went way over my head.

VincentEvans 3y ago

I don’t collect articles, but here’re some results of a google query for “russia sentences for opposing war”: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-moscow-government-and-politics-235ad386cb40fe07357425fdfe6a80f2 https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-moscow-government-... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ilya-yashin-valdimir-putin-critic-prison-sentence-ukraine-war-criticism/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ilya-yashin-valdimir-put... https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/dmitry-ivanov-sergei-smirnov-russia-ukraine-jailed/ https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/dmitry-ivanov-sergei-sm... Here’s one about Wagner: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1741299/Russia-Wagner-Group-Yevgeny-Prigozhin-prison-dissent-Duma https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1741299/Russia-Wagner-G... Again, all these are just top results of a google search.