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> “This time we can make an app based on web technologies for real!” > - it failed when Microsoft tried it VS Code is one of the most successful open source cr

> “This time we can make an app based on web technologies for real!” > - it failed when Microsoft tried it VS Code is one of the most successful open source cross platform GUI apps of all time. Who would have thought that good ol' HTML would finally fulfill the promise of "build once, run everywhere".

illiarian 3y ago
At what cost? VS Code is a trillion dollar company throwing thousands of man-years at the problem and still running into issues like "we can't make the terminal fast enough because of web tech": https://code.visualstudio.com/blogs/2017/10/03/terminal-renderer https://code.visualstudio.com/blogs/2017/10/03/terminal-rend...
- orange8 3y ago
  > At what cost? It is free! Free as in free beer. So all those trillions are going to very good use, considering it is the most used editor. And its open source too!! What a web tech success story this one... > and still running into issues like "we can't make the terminal fast enough Imagine that! A cross-platform code editor with its own configurable integrated terminal that hooks into the apps extension system. But someone wrote a blog post in 2017 explaining some performance improvements, so bring out the pitch-forks and burn it all down!
  - illiarian 3y ago
    > It is free! Free as in free beer. You're confusing price and cost of development > so bring out the pitch-forks and burn it all down! That is literally not what I wrote, but at this point it's clear you're not interested in discussion beyond low-level trolling. Adieu
    - orange8 3y ago
      > That is literally not what I wrote, Yes. Not all discourse has to be literal. It's called a a metaphor. And your "trillion dollar company throwing thousands of man-years" is called a hyperbole. You are talking about the most successful cross platform code editor of all time, so if you want to be taken seriously, use level-headed arguments rather than emotional exaggerations. > but at this point it's clear you're not interested in discussion beyond low-level trolling. > Adieu I wouldn't consider a discussion where someone cites a 6 year old blog post about performance improvements as proof of "throwing thousands of man years" as a serious, or worthwhile discussion. You can go. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
    - wkearney99 3y ago
      And yet he was entirely correct, and you're just coming off as being petulantly pedantic.
deminature 3y ago
VS Code is a great success of Electron-based apps but also has massive memory usage and performance bloat that comes with this style of app, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19144039 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19144039 Sublime Text is implemented natively (C++) and uses a fraction of the resources to accomplish similar functionality. I know we live in a period of plentiful system resources where RAM usage no longer practically matters, but using 1.5GB RAM for a few files open seems insane, even more so that this is now normalized.
- yenda 3y ago
  > If VS Code is slower than sublime with the same level of functionality, why does it currently totally dominate the market? Is it because devs just love Microsoft? Because it only has the same level of functionality when you conveniently ignore how easier it is to write plugins
- orange8 3y ago
  > Sublime Text is implemented natively (C++) and uses a fraction of the resources to accomplish similar functionality. If VS Code is slower than sublime with the same level of functionality, why does it currently totally dominate the market? Is it because devs just love Microsoft?
  - deminature 3y ago
    VS Code has a quasi-IDE implemented for a bunch of popular languages including a debugger [1]. Sublime is a straight text editor, with limited debugging capability. Sheer usefulness beats performance, so VS Code won the editor war. [1] https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/editor/debugging https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/editor/debugging
    - zuminator 3y ago
      So in other words, not the same level of functionality.
  - nl 3y ago
scarface74 3y ago
It is also not running on a mobile phone with limited memory, no swap, a small screen and where battery life is at a premium.

illiarian 3y ago

At what cost? VS Code is a trillion dollar company throwing thousands of man-years at the problem and still running into issues like "we can't make the terminal fast enough because of web tech": https://code.visualstudio.com/blogs/2017/10/03/terminal-renderer https://code.visualstudio.com/blogs/2017/10/03/terminal-rend...

orange8 3y ago
> At what cost? It is free! Free as in free beer. So all those trillions are going to very good use, considering it is the most used editor. And its open source too!! What a web tech success story this one... > and still running into issues like "we can't make the terminal fast enough Imagine that! A cross-platform code editor with its own configurable integrated terminal that hooks into the apps extension system. But someone wrote a blog post in 2017 explaining some performance improvements, so bring out the pitch-forks and burn it all down!
- illiarian 3y ago
  > It is free! Free as in free beer. You're confusing price and cost of development > so bring out the pitch-forks and burn it all down! That is literally not what I wrote, but at this point it's clear you're not interested in discussion beyond low-level trolling. Adieu
  - orange8 3y ago
    > That is literally not what I wrote, Yes. Not all discourse has to be literal. It's called a a metaphor. And your "trillion dollar company throwing thousands of man-years" is called a hyperbole. You are talking about the most successful cross platform code editor of all time, so if you want to be taken seriously, use level-headed arguments rather than emotional exaggerations. > but at this point it's clear you're not interested in discussion beyond low-level trolling. > Adieu I wouldn't consider a discussion where someone cites a 6 year old blog post about performance improvements as proof of "throwing thousands of man years" as a serious, or worthwhile discussion. You can go. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
  - wkearney99 3y ago
    And yet he was entirely correct, and you're just coming off as being petulantly pedantic.

deminature 3y ago

VS Code is a great success of Electron-based apps but also has massive memory usage and performance bloat that comes with this style of app, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19144039 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19144039 Sublime Text is implemented natively (C++) and uses a fraction of the resources to accomplish similar functionality. I know we live in a period of plentiful system resources where RAM usage no longer practically matters, but using 1.5GB RAM for a few files open seems insane, even more so that this is now normalized.

yenda 3y ago
> If VS Code is slower than sublime with the same level of functionality, why does it currently totally dominate the market? Is it because devs just love Microsoft? Because it only has the same level of functionality when you conveniently ignore how easier it is to write plugins
orange8 3y ago
> Sublime Text is implemented natively (C++) and uses a fraction of the resources to accomplish similar functionality. If VS Code is slower than sublime with the same level of functionality, why does it currently totally dominate the market? Is it because devs just love Microsoft?
- deminature 3y ago
  VS Code has a quasi-IDE implemented for a bunch of popular languages including a debugger [1]. Sublime is a straight text editor, with limited debugging capability. Sheer usefulness beats performance, so VS Code won the editor war. [1] https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/editor/debugging https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/editor/debugging
  - zuminator 3y ago
    So in other words, not the same level of functionality.
- nl 3y ago

scarface74 3y ago

It is also not running on a mobile phone with limited memory, no swap, a small screen and where battery life is at a premium.