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> ask three people, and they will give you five answers on what exactly PWA support means Or maybe just refer to the definitive docs [1] instead of relying on

> ask three people, and they will give you five answers on what exactly PWA support means Or maybe just refer to the definitive docs [1] instead of relying on what 3 random people say? [1] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Progressive_web_apps/Reference https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Progressive_web...

illiarian 3y ago
"That PWAs can use", but it's not a requirement.
- orange8 3y ago
  So what exactly are you asking for here? A list of PWA api's that must be used all the time in every single PWA app? What's the benefit of that? Which application development API has such an asinine requirement in the first place?
  - illiarian 3y ago
    > So what exactly are you asking for here? I'm not asking. I'm telling, and quite clearly: ask three people, and you will have five answers as to what APIs people think PWAs can't live without. Because of this you will always have people scream "Apple is killing PWAs" because they don't support a yet another random API. And yet, see bullet point two in my original comment.
    - rat9988 3y ago
      You might have five answers, but all of them will agree that ios is lacking important ones.
      - illiarian 3y ago
        They won't, of course.
    - orange8 3y ago
      > Because of this you will always have people scream "Apple is killing PWAs" because they don't support a yet another random API. I like the "yet another random API" phrase. It creates the impression that PWA APIs are being generated fast and furious, and apple is trying very hard to keep up with all these "random" new APIs. Yet, the reality is that apple has for a long time deliberately crippled PWAs on their platform by not supporting just 4, crucial, old and fundamental APIs. I will list these for you: - Background Sync - Web Push - Before Install Prompt and Installation Banner - Background audio for PWAs They do not have to implement any "yet another random API". Just those four. Everything else is a bonus, considering this is Apple's Safari (the new IE) we are talking about.
      - illiarian 3y ago
        > I like the "yet another random API" phrase. It creates the impression that PWA APIs are being generated fast and furious They are > not supporting just 4, crucial, old and fundamental APIs. At least these two are definitely random APIs that you think are "crucial", and not everyone who complains about Safari lists them. > They do not have to implement any "yet another random API". Just those four. Just those four that you decided are crucial.
        orange8 3y ago
        Imagine going 2000 years back with a book and showing it to some caveman. To you they are words, with meaning and purpose. To him, they're just random gibberish scrawled on some leafy stuff. He might even nibble on one of the pages and declare "it doesn't even taste good, what can be its use?" Random APIs indeed. Lol
        illiarian 3y ago
        >Imagine going 2000 years back Imagine having a discourse in good faith. Imagine not resorting to false analogies. Imagine not resorting to low-effort trolling the moment you run out of arguments. Imagine... Anyway. I bid you adieu in a sibling thread, I'll do the same here. Adieu.

illiarian 3y ago

"That PWAs can use", but it's not a requirement.

orange8 3y ago
So what exactly are you asking for here? A list of PWA api's that must be used all the time in every single PWA app? What's the benefit of that? Which application development API has such an asinine requirement in the first place?
- illiarian 3y ago
  > So what exactly are you asking for here? I'm not asking. I'm telling, and quite clearly: ask three people, and you will have five answers as to what APIs people think PWAs can't live without. Because of this you will always have people scream "Apple is killing PWAs" because they don't support a yet another random API. And yet, see bullet point two in my original comment.
  - rat9988 3y ago
    You might have five answers, but all of them will agree that ios is lacking important ones.
    - illiarian 3y ago
      They won't, of course.
  - orange8 3y ago
    > Because of this you will always have people scream "Apple is killing PWAs" because they don't support a yet another random API. I like the "yet another random API" phrase. It creates the impression that PWA APIs are being generated fast and furious, and apple is trying very hard to keep up with all these "random" new APIs. Yet, the reality is that apple has for a long time deliberately crippled PWAs on their platform by not supporting just 4, crucial, old and fundamental APIs. I will list these for you: - Background Sync - Web Push - Before Install Prompt and Installation Banner - Background audio for PWAs They do not have to implement any "yet another random API". Just those four. Everything else is a bonus, considering this is Apple's Safari (the new IE) we are talking about.
    - illiarian 3y ago
      > I like the "yet another random API" phrase. It creates the impression that PWA APIs are being generated fast and furious They are > not supporting just 4, crucial, old and fundamental APIs. At least these two are definitely random APIs that you think are "crucial", and not everyone who complains about Safari lists them. > They do not have to implement any "yet another random API". Just those four. Just those four that you decided are crucial.
      - orange8 3y ago
        Imagine going 2000 years back with a book and showing it to some caveman. To you they are words, with meaning and purpose. To him, they're just random gibberish scrawled on some leafy stuff. He might even nibble on one of the pages and declare "it doesn't even taste good, what can be its use?" Random APIs indeed. Lol
        illiarian 3y ago
        >Imagine going 2000 years back Imagine having a discourse in good faith. Imagine not resorting to false analogies. Imagine not resorting to low-effort trolling the moment you run out of arguments. Imagine... Anyway. I bid you adieu in a sibling thread, I'll do the same here. Adieu.