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Amazon, despite climate pledge, fought to kill emissions bill in Oregon
- exabrial 3y agoClimate pledges and green promises are _all_ marketing BS. Consumers fall for it. There's a name for it: Green Washing.
- decremental 3y ago[flagged]
- nebula8804 3y agoOk i'll bite. What are the ruling class's current desires?
- squokko 3y agoThe emissions regulations are also marketing BS. Like Oregon can affect global CO2 levels.
- nebula8804 3y agoEvery little bit counts.
- squokko 3y agoNot when China is building coal fired power plants. It's like taking water out of the Titanic with an eyedropper saying "every little bit counts." Sometimes, it doesn't.
- barbazoo 3y agoThis is misleading, China is actually slooowly phasing out coal from its energy mix, see https://ourworldindata.org/energy/country/china https://ourworldindata.org/energy/country/china (pretty far down). Yes, they're adding coal but they're adding renewables at a higher rate.
- squokko 3y agohttps://www.npr.org/2023/03/02/1160441919/china-is-building-six-times-more-new-coal-plants-than-other-countries-report-fin https://www.npr.org/2023/03/02/1160441919/china-is-building-... The US is hampering its own businesses so that Chinese businesses can belch even more CO2 into the air. Simple as that.
- barbazoo 3y agoRelatively speaking, China still appears to be reducing the the energy coming from coal compared to renewables.
- seanmcdirmid 3y agoCoal rose 2.3% in 2022 over 2021 due to an energy crisis (i.e. natural gas got really expensive). But overall this is correct. Having lived in Beijing when the air was routinely "crazy bad", the Chinese are very motivated to clean things up for their own good.
- AniseAbyss 3y ago[dead]
- paulryanrogers 3y agoUS industrialized sooner and belched far more in the past. China isn't perfect, yet does seem to be making big changes in the right direction.
- b112 3y agoUS industrialized sooner and belched far more in the past. Most of that was: * before the public accepted global warming * before strong alternatives were available
- paulryanrogers 3y ago
- exabrial 3y agoI think his point is: taking a teaspoon of water out of the ocean and bolding marching back into town proclaiming you fought ocean level rise is a little disingenuous.
- nebula8804 3y ago> taking a teaspoon of water out of the ocean A teaspoon is the wrong terminology in the context of Oregon given they produce 0.7% of the US's CO2 emissions. Because they are already producing so little CO2 a teaspoon elsewhere is a large improvement there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ... > and bolding marching back into town proclaiming you fought ocean level rise is a little disingenuous given this is Oregon we are talking about, their idea of enacting meaningful change is different from other states idea of meaningful changes just due to the fact that Oregon has so much green energy already. So these little changes get them further to 100% reduction much easier and thus are meaningful in this context. Reading the article Amazon wanted to increase natural gas capacity because the biofuels are not yet ready in Oregon. It makes less sense to do this in a state like Oregon. Why are they even there in the first place? I assume it due to the cheap electricity (thanks in part to the natural renewable energy sources they already have)
- exabrial 3y agoYou’re seriously saying .0084 * (the total carbon emissions) is doing anything useful?
- paulryanrogers 3y agoThis analogy seems out of proportion itself. There is only so much arable land on earth, and a large state is probably single digit percentage. Its energy needs are likely significant, even in the big picture.
- more_corn 3y agoWho are you criticizing? Oregon for attempting to limit emissions? Amazon for lying about caring about climate change? (And then blocking efforts to improve emissions) Keep in mind that Amazon through AWS runs the servers for a large majority of the sites we think of as the internet. So when the company claims to care about climate change, then gives lie to that with their actions it really does make a difference. A huge negative, dangerous, unwise difference.
- imtringued 3y agoThe United States has the greatest cumulative FO2 emissions of any country. Oregon is part of the US so yes it can affect global CO2 levels significantly.
- comte7092 3y agoNo individual institution can affect global CO2 levels, that’s the whole reason why this issue is so difficult to solve, we need alignment across the entirety of global society in order to achieve the impact needed in the necessary time frame.
- more_corn 3y agoClimate change deniers have discovered a new tactic. Climate change doom. “Nothing we can do can make a difference”. The things we do absolutely can make a difference. State level even more so! I’m not accusing you of astroturfing for climate change deniers. But this language is based on their efforts. Individual governments and corporations one hundred percent will set the stage for climate change remediation over the next decades. We absolutely have to hold Amazon responsible here. You said you want to make a difference? Well then step up and match it with your actions.
- Hammershaft 3y agoOregon does affet global CO2 levels on the margins. US citizens have nearly the highest per capita CO2 emissions in the world (more then double the per capita emissions of China). Under any feasible global system of limiting climate change, Oregon, like every other state in the union, will need to reduce emissions.
- suddenclarity 3y agoSo in short, companies can't expand or build new due to lack of green infrastructure. The proposed solution is to make it illegal to use other than approved types of electricity. Amazon says it makes no sense unless the infrastructure is expanded as well. Seems difficult to disagree considering my country is burning oil to get through the winter. Shutting down production that takes 20 years to rebuild was apparently a bad idea.
- paulryanrogers 3y agoWhat production takes 20y to rebuild? Forests for wood burning?
- theK 3y agoForests do take their time but I think he is speaking about European countries killing fission plants after Fukushima.
- simplotek 3y agoAmazon also pledged to be the world's best employer to then fire thousands by email.
- alfalfasprout 3y agoAt this point, I wouldn't be surprised to see articles about Amazon trafficking human children to use them as labelers for AI models. Very evil company.
- brutusurp 3y agoNot exactly human trafficking, however there's the "Amazon-owned Whole Foods got caught using child labor" scandal that was recently exposed[1]. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/25/us/unaccompanied-migrant-child-workers-exploitation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/25/us/unaccompanied-migrant-...