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There also wasn’t a 9/11 before the 9/11.
by mdrachuk 3y ago
There also wasn’t a 9/11 before the 9/11.
- 0xDEF 3y agoThere were dozens of terror attacks against air travel in the 80s and 90s. The global post-9/11 "security theater" did make flying in the developing world much safer.
- lostlogin 3y agoReally? So that’s attributable to us not carrying bottles of water and to us taking our shoes off?
- thfuran 3y agoYes, everyone knows that terrorists can't take off their shoes.
- Grimburger 3y agoThere's been dozens of hijackings since 9/11 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_hijackings#2000s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_hijackings#20...
- helsinkiandrew 3y agoTo be fair there's been a lot less hijackings in the 2000s and 2010s compared with previous decades - although as the decline started in the 90's - its not likely to be solely due to increased security.
- littlestymaar 3y agoIt has to do with several things, among them you have: - the end of the cold war, with the clear hegemony of the US which halted state-sponsored terrorism from unaligned-but-socialist-minded countries (especially Libya) - targeted assassination of terrorist leaders and infrastructures (no more training summer camps) no matter the country they are in (mostly through drones nowadays), leading to a progressive reduction in sophistication in terror attacks committed, and the rise of lone wolfs instead of structured terrorist commandos.
- esotericimpl 3y agoIt's completely due to prior to 9/11 you left the hijackers alone and they would land the plane, get arrested or die in a shootout with the police. Now if you attempt to hijack a plane 100-300 passengers will beat your ASS and stop you before you get anywhere near control of the aircraft. There will never be another hijacking attack where the pilot loses control of the plane from a threat of a would be hijacker.
- TulliusCicero 3y agoThat lists twenty, and the minimum to be "dozens" would be 24.
- cfiggers 3y agoGrammatically, 1.5 donut is wrong and 1.5 donuts is correct. So, in this case "1.66~ dozens" (because 20 / 12 = 1.66~) is pedantically correct. (...But logically and intuitively everything I just said is extremely stupid because by that logic 12.01 counts as "dozens" and that's ridiculous, so your complaint is absolutely correct and I agree with you 100%)
- recursive 3y agoGrammatically, 0.2 donut is wrong also. So by that logic, 0.01 also counts as dozens. I'd argue that "dozens" obviously means there are a multiple of 12.
- orangepurple 3y agoIn the late 1960s and early 1970s, hijackings occurred, on average, once every five days globally. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/a-brief-history-of-airplane-hijackings-db-cooper-netflix-180980408/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/a-brief-history-of-ai...
- actionfromafar 3y agoI always attributed that to: - before 9/11, the advice was: sit down in your seat and wait for the ransom demands - after 9/11: fight for your life now or die in a blaze of fire Hijackers must feel this too. No quarter will be given.
- delecti 3y agoWasn't that a contributing factor to UA93 being "unsuccessful"? The passengers had gotten word of the other three flights, and stopped being quite as compliant (though "compliant" is obviously not the full story for the other three flights).
- actionfromafar 3y agoYes! Without this incident, I wouldn't be as optimistic about people fighting back. Turns out, people can be pretty rational after all.
- dtech 3y agoThe TSA checks are ineffective, they fail detection 95% of the time [1]. That's a pretty good indication that it's security theater. Personally, I'd expect the decrease to be mostly attributable to increased cockpit access security like locked reinforced doors. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/investigation-breaches-us-airports-allowed-weapons-through-n367851 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/investigation-breaches-...