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My grandparents had church, social clubs, mutual aid organizations, and unions which all helped (paid for) support of one kind or another during their hardships

My grandparents had church, social clubs, mutual aid organizations, and unions which all helped (paid for) support of one kind or another during their hardships. Working together and accommodating others is probably one of the strengths we’ve actually failed to foster in the contemporary context, to our detriment. The atomization of the individual and the cult of silent suffering is something they’d balk or pity us for.

thegrimmest 3y ago
I'm not so sure. Everyone I've met born before 1950 would much rather suffer in dignified silence than burden anyone with their care.
- fleetwoodsnack 3y ago
  My grandparents were dustbowl survivors and veterans who humbly attribute their survival and later success to their neighbors, friends, and colleagues that helped them, and whom they spent their later lives trying to pay back in kindness and friendship. The influence of our relationships, and who we know, on our worldview is certainly fascinating.
  - thegrimmest 3y ago
    Aye, neighbours, friends and colleagues are exactly who we should be building relationships with and relying on. No additional intervention required from governments via employers.
    - fleetwoodsnack 3y ago
      They counted their friends and colleagues among their employers, actually. And the government’s GI Bill and veterans’ administration’s work placement and employee advocacy programs were among their most cherished programs.
      - thegrimmest 3y ago
        Yep, we owe a debt to veterans for putting their lives on the line in defence of our values (especially WWII vets). We don't owe the same debt to everyone else though do we? It's in fact everyone else who owes the veterans. Also, there's nothing stopping anyone today from making friends with their colleagues and employers, and relying on those relationships in times of need. I'm still not seeing why we need an intervention.
        fleetwoodsnack 3y ago
        People simply do better when they work together and try to make each others’ lives better. Your points seem to be meandering and I’m content where we’ve come in this conversation. Be well!

thegrimmest 3y ago

I'm not so sure. Everyone I've met born before 1950 would much rather suffer in dignified silence than burden anyone with their care.

fleetwoodsnack 3y ago
My grandparents were dustbowl survivors and veterans who humbly attribute their survival and later success to their neighbors, friends, and colleagues that helped them, and whom they spent their later lives trying to pay back in kindness and friendship. The influence of our relationships, and who we know, on our worldview is certainly fascinating.
- thegrimmest 3y ago
  Aye, neighbours, friends and colleagues are exactly who we should be building relationships with and relying on. No additional intervention required from governments via employers.
  - fleetwoodsnack 3y ago
    They counted their friends and colleagues among their employers, actually. And the government’s GI Bill and veterans’ administration’s work placement and employee advocacy programs were among their most cherished programs.
    - thegrimmest 3y ago
      Yep, we owe a debt to veterans for putting their lives on the line in defence of our values (especially WWII vets). We don't owe the same debt to everyone else though do we? It's in fact everyone else who owes the veterans. Also, there's nothing stopping anyone today from making friends with their colleagues and employers, and relying on those relationships in times of need. I'm still not seeing why we need an intervention.
      - fleetwoodsnack 3y ago
        People simply do better when they work together and try to make each others’ lives better. Your points seem to be meandering and I’m content where we’ve come in this conversation. Be well!