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Due to the poor spelling and grammar, gross oversimplification of zsh's advantages, and the inclusion of oh-my-zsh as a reason to switch, I found this post insu

by dbbo 15y ago

Due to the poor spelling and grammar, gross oversimplification of zsh's advantages, and the inclusion of oh-my-zsh as a reason to switch, I found this post insulting (as a long time zsh user). And I actually want more people to use zsh, because that would mean more collaboration, more tips, and better script compatibility.

mgrouchy 15y ago
If my grammer is shitty, thats fine, never said my grammar/spelling/etc was amazing, just Zsh. This post was intended as a nice introductory shoutout to Zsh. Oh-my-zsh is a great way for someone to get started with zsh if they wanted to try it out. It was never meant to be a complete guide to Zsh, and I wasn't going to list all the features, just a few that people who don't know anything about Zsh might be interested in. But Hey, thanks for trying to give me a hard time. Stay classy.
- dbbo 15y ago
  When you submit an article that you wrote to HN you could at least have the decency to spend 5 minutes proofreading it, couldn't you? oh-my-zsh is a great way for lazy people to get fancy features without having to look at the easily accessible manual ( http://zsh.sourceforge.net/Doc/ http://zsh.sourceforge.net/Doc/ ) or even the user friendly guide ( http://zsh.sourceforge.net/Guide/ http://zsh.sourceforge.net/Guide/ ). I never said I expected you to list every feature. That's a pretty ridiculous hyperbole on your part. I also wasn't "trying to give [you] a hard time". I was merely expressing my opinion. I'm sorry that you can't handle any criticism.
richardlblair 15y ago
Due to the major douchebaggery, gross misunderstanding of the purpose of this article, and inclusion of your "long time user" status, I can't take you comment seriously. Perhaps the purpose of this article is too complicated for your oversimplified brain. As a "long time" computer user I appreciate Mr. Grouchy taking the time to outline some of the finer things zsh has to offer. If you REALLY wanted people to adopt zsh, and grow the community, you should probably try to list some other things that you enjoy. But Hey, thanks for trying to integrate yourself. Stay Classy.
- dbbo 15y ago
  I suppose having and stating an opinion that isn't kissing someone's ass makes me a douchebag according to richardlblair. I think I can live with that. All Mr. Grouchy did was give a couple examples of completion and oh-my-zsh. I think you would have to be really fed up with bash or whatever default shell your system has to take that bait. I never said I expected him to write a complete job. I just think there are better arguments to be made. In fact, there are hundreds of posts on HN that give someone's evangelical tale of trying a new program, and several about zsh. This one is far from exceptional in my mind. To me, it was like saying "You should buy a Tesla Model S because they are really fast."
bdunbar 15y ago
and the inclusion of oh-my-zsh as a reason to switch That's the reason why I switched. Perhaps I'm missing something: what's wrong with 'oh-my-zsh'?
- dbbo 15y ago
  A person could easily get into the habit of using oh-my-zsh plugins and themes without reading or understanding them. I'm not saying that it's universally the case, just that it's possible. With that in mind, it might not be too difficult to include malicious code therein. It also is a good way to "introduce" non-existent bugs. If I'm not mistaken, this is the reason that the zsh Debian maintainers have refused to consider including it in main.

by dbbo 15y ago

mgrouchy 15y ago

If my grammer is shitty, thats fine, never said my grammar/spelling/etc was amazing, just Zsh. This post was intended as a nice introductory shoutout to Zsh. Oh-my-zsh is a great way for someone to get started with zsh if they wanted to try it out. It was never meant to be a complete guide to Zsh, and I wasn't going to list all the features, just a few that people who don't know anything about Zsh might be interested in. But Hey, thanks for trying to give me a hard time. Stay classy.

dbbo 15y ago
When you submit an article that you wrote to HN you could at least have the decency to spend 5 minutes proofreading it, couldn't you? oh-my-zsh is a great way for lazy people to get fancy features without having to look at the easily accessible manual ( http://zsh.sourceforge.net/Doc/ http://zsh.sourceforge.net/Doc/ ) or even the user friendly guide ( http://zsh.sourceforge.net/Guide/ http://zsh.sourceforge.net/Guide/ ). I never said I expected you to list every feature. That's a pretty ridiculous hyperbole on your part. I also wasn't "trying to give [you] a hard time". I was merely expressing my opinion. I'm sorry that you can't handle any criticism.

richardlblair 15y ago

Due to the major douchebaggery, gross misunderstanding of the purpose of this article, and inclusion of your "long time user" status, I can't take you comment seriously. Perhaps the purpose of this article is too complicated for your oversimplified brain. As a "long time" computer user I appreciate Mr. Grouchy taking the time to outline some of the finer things zsh has to offer. If you REALLY wanted people to adopt zsh, and grow the community, you should probably try to list some other things that you enjoy. But Hey, thanks for trying to integrate yourself. Stay Classy.

dbbo 15y ago
I suppose having and stating an opinion that isn't kissing someone's ass makes me a douchebag according to richardlblair. I think I can live with that. All Mr. Grouchy did was give a couple examples of completion and oh-my-zsh. I think you would have to be really fed up with bash or whatever default shell your system has to take that bait. I never said I expected him to write a complete job. I just think there are better arguments to be made. In fact, there are hundreds of posts on HN that give someone's evangelical tale of trying a new program, and several about zsh. This one is far from exceptional in my mind. To me, it was like saying "You should buy a Tesla Model S because they are really fast."

bdunbar 15y ago

and the inclusion of oh-my-zsh as a reason to switch That's the reason why I switched. Perhaps I'm missing something: what's wrong with 'oh-my-zsh'?

dbbo 15y ago
A person could easily get into the habit of using oh-my-zsh plugins and themes without reading or understanding them. I'm not saying that it's universally the case, just that it's possible. With that in mind, it might not be too difficult to include malicious code therein. It also is a good way to "introduce" non-existent bugs. If I'm not mistaken, this is the reason that the zsh Debian maintainers have refused to consider including it in main.