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I'm doing that since day one. I can't believe people are pasting real data into this corporate black boxes.

Teever 3y ago
To your average user who interfaces with these figurative black boxes with a black box in their hand, how is this particular black box any different than the other black boxes that this user hands their data to every second of every day?
- ChatPGT 3y ago
  No idea
- mc32 3y ago
  Those typically have MSAs with legalese where parties stipulate what they will and will not do and often whether or not it’s zero knowledge and often option to have your own instance encryption keys. If people are using the free version of chatGPT then it’s unlikely there is a contract between the companies and more likely just a terms of use applied by chatGPT and ignored by the users.
- serf 3y ago
  there are plenty of disallowed 'black boxes' within the federal sphere; chatgpt is just yet another. to take a stab at your question, though : my cell phone doesn't learn to get better by absorbing my telecommunications; it's just used as a means to spy on my personal life by The Powers That Be. The primary purpose of my cell phone is for the conveyance of telecommunications. chatGPT hordes data for training and self-improvement in its' current state. It's whole modus operandi involves the capture of data, rather than it being used for that tangentially. It could not meaningfully exist without training on something, and at this stage of the game it's the trend to self-train with user data. Until that trend changes people should probably be a bit more suspect about what kind of stuff gets thrown into the training bin.
gwright 3y ago
What about Google Docs, Office 365, Github, AWS, Azure, Google Cloud, JIRA, Zendesk, etc? What is different about ChatGPT (if anything)?
- ChatPGT 3y ago
  Dont use any of it
  - steve_mcdougall 3y ago
    [flagged]
- libraryatnight 3y ago
  We have data standards and agreements with those companies, we pay them to have expectations. Even then, we're strict about what touches vendor servers and it's audited and monitored. Accounts are managed by us and tied into onboarding and offboarding. If they have a security incident, they notify, there's response and remediation. ChatGPT seems to be used more like a fast stackoverflow, except people aren't thinking of it like a forum where others will see their question so they aren't as cautious. We're just waiting for some company's data to show up remixed into an answer for someone else and then plastered all over the internet for the infosec lulz of the week.
  - senko 3y ago
    > We have data standards and agreements with those companies, we pay them to have expectations. Even then, we're strict about what touches vendor servers and it's audited and monitored. Accounts are managed by us and tied into onboarding and offboarding. For every company like yours there are hundreds that don't. People use free gmail address for sensitive company stuff, paste random things in random pastebins, put their private keys in public repos, etc. Yes, data leaks from OpenAI are bound to happen (again), and they should beef up their security practices. But thinking people are using only ChatGPT in an insecure way vastly overestimates their security practices elsewhere. The solution is education, not avoiding new tools.
- 3y ago
throwawaysleep 3y ago
I simply don't give a crap if my employer loses data. I don't care if my carelessness costs my employer a billion bucks down the line as I won't be working for them next year.
- goatlover 3y ago
  Why don’t you feel any responsibility?
  - avisser 3y ago
    Not who you replied to, but if you agree, even a little, with the phrase, "the social contract between employees & employers is broken in the US"... well it goes both ways.
  - throwawaysleep 3y ago
    I am treating my employment like a corporation would. Risks I do not pay for and do not benefit from mitigating are waste that could allow me to transfer time back to my own priorities, increasing my personal "profit."
- heartbreak 3y ago
  Writing that is a really good way to end up on the wrong side of a civil suit.
  - qikInNdOutReply 3y ago
    I have a addon, were every other sentence is generated by Chat GPT. Good luck holding me liable for a robots actions.
    - ddalex 3y ago
      "I do not take any kind of responsibility about what I'm doing, or not doing, or thinking about doing or not doing, or thinking about whenever I should be doing or not doing, or thinking about whenever I should be thinking about doing or not doing".

To your average user who interfaces with these figurative black boxes with a black box in their hand, how is this particular black box any different than the other black boxes that this user hands their data to every second of every day?

ChatPGT 3y ago
No idea
mc32 3y ago
Those typically have MSAs with legalese where parties stipulate what they will and will not do and often whether or not it’s zero knowledge and often option to have your own instance encryption keys. If people are using the free version of chatGPT then it’s unlikely there is a contract between the companies and more likely just a terms of use applied by chatGPT and ignored by the users.
serf 3y ago
there are plenty of disallowed 'black boxes' within the federal sphere; chatgpt is just yet another. to take a stab at your question, though : my cell phone doesn't learn to get better by absorbing my telecommunications; it's just used as a means to spy on my personal life by The Powers That Be. The primary purpose of my cell phone is for the conveyance of telecommunications. chatGPT hordes data for training and self-improvement in its' current state. It's whole modus operandi involves the capture of data, rather than it being used for that tangentially. It could not meaningfully exist without training on something, and at this stage of the game it's the trend to self-train with user data. Until that trend changes people should probably be a bit more suspect about what kind of stuff gets thrown into the training bin.

gwright 3y ago

What about Google Docs, Office 365, Github, AWS, Azure, Google Cloud, JIRA, Zendesk, etc? What is different about ChatGPT (if anything)?

ChatPGT 3y ago
Dont use any of it
- steve_mcdougall 3y ago
  [flagged]
libraryatnight 3y ago
We have data standards and agreements with those companies, we pay them to have expectations. Even then, we're strict about what touches vendor servers and it's audited and monitored. Accounts are managed by us and tied into onboarding and offboarding. If they have a security incident, they notify, there's response and remediation. ChatGPT seems to be used more like a fast stackoverflow, except people aren't thinking of it like a forum where others will see their question so they aren't as cautious. We're just waiting for some company's data to show up remixed into an answer for someone else and then plastered all over the internet for the infosec lulz of the week.
- senko 3y ago
  > We have data standards and agreements with those companies, we pay them to have expectations. Even then, we're strict about what touches vendor servers and it's audited and monitored. Accounts are managed by us and tied into onboarding and offboarding. For every company like yours there are hundreds that don't. People use free gmail address for sensitive company stuff, paste random things in random pastebins, put their private keys in public repos, etc. Yes, data leaks from OpenAI are bound to happen (again), and they should beef up their security practices. But thinking people are using only ChatGPT in an insecure way vastly overestimates their security practices elsewhere. The solution is education, not avoiding new tools.
3y ago

throwawaysleep 3y ago

I simply don't give a crap if my employer loses data. I don't care if my carelessness costs my employer a billion bucks down the line as I won't be working for them next year.

goatlover 3y ago
Why don’t you feel any responsibility?
- avisser 3y ago
  Not who you replied to, but if you agree, even a little, with the phrase, "the social contract between employees & employers is broken in the US"... well it goes both ways.
- throwawaysleep 3y ago
  I am treating my employment like a corporation would. Risks I do not pay for and do not benefit from mitigating are waste that could allow me to transfer time back to my own priorities, increasing my personal "profit."
heartbreak 3y ago
Writing that is a really good way to end up on the wrong side of a civil suit.
- qikInNdOutReply 3y ago
  I have a addon, were every other sentence is generated by Chat GPT. Good luck holding me liable for a robots actions.
  - ddalex 3y ago
    "I do not take any kind of responsibility about what I'm doing, or not doing, or thinking about doing or not doing, or thinking about whenever I should be doing or not doing, or thinking about whenever I should be thinking about doing or not doing".