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I really like Apple's implementation of passwords, passkeys, etc. But...I had a hard time explaining this to my mom. She uses it to generate her passwords and
by cjdoc29 3y ago
I really like Apple's implementation of passwords, passkeys, etc. But...I had a hard time explaining this to my mom.
She uses it to generate her passwords and fill-in within Safari which is great!
But there's no "Passwords" app, and she didn't know to go into Settings to reference a password when Safari doesn't recognize a password field (probably the website's fault).
2FA is also a confusing experience, but 2FA is also just confusing enough for her where Apple isn't really the problem here.
- reaperducer 3y agoBut there's no "Passwords" app It's called Keychain Access.
- cj 3y agoThe problem is Keychain Access doesn't pass the "mom test" (would you average consumer - e.g. your mom - actually use it)
- waynecochran 3y agoKeychain Access doesn't pass the "me" test and I have a PhD in CS.
- airstrike 3y agoThey don't even know why it's called that
- shagie 3y agoBecause you can store non-passwords in there too. Secure notes, your own signing certificates, keys, root CAs, and specific self signed certs you've accepted for SSL.
- airstrike 3y agoStill, none of that means anything to the average user. Searching for "passwords" in Spotlight should also take you to your passwords
- shagie 3y agoMake an alias to Keychain access. Name it "Passwords" and have that a directory that is indexed by Spotlight (the Utilities directory under Applications where Keychain Access is found works fine). This will then show up in the launchpad. https://i.imgur.com/IRPOMC5.png https://i.imgur.com/IRPOMC5.png Searching for 'pass' in Spotlight does bring up Keychain access - as that's in the apps list of Keywords... however the list of apps is way down on the scrolling https://i.imgur.com/KFUC0G0.png https://i.imgur.com/KFUC0G0.png - it found 'password' as a string in 100 python files that I had to scroll through first.
- airstrike 3y ago> Make an alias to Keychain access. Sorry, but that also doesn't mean anything to the average user. If anything it's made it more complicated for them—they will remember to type in "key" before they learn how to make an alias That I don't have an issue with the word "keychain" doesn't mean it's not bad UX for the average Mac OS user
- shagie 3y agoSpecifically, what functionality would you like? If you do control-space (to bring up spotlight) and type in password, what do you want it to do and what is missing?
- airstrike 3y agoIf I type in "password" I get a bunch of results that aren't what I need My wife asks me weekly "honey, what's that word I gotta type to see my passwords again?"
- shagie 3y agoSince I use it quite a bit for secure notes, I've got it pinned in my toolbar. From the top down I've got Finder, System settings, Keychain Access, HomeKit, Launchpad, Safari... and then other things. The thing is, its the 3rd one down.
- Hamuko 3y agoNo password manager passes that as far as I'm concerned.
- squeaky-clean 3y agoIsn't Keychain Access MacOS only? It's not available on iPhone.
- cjdoc29 3y agoiOS does not have "Keychain Access" as a named setting or app. MacOS has both Keychain Access as a standalone app, and Passwords as a section in your settings. The latter is dedicated to purely passwords that you, as the user, make. Keychain Access also contains passwords for Wi-Fi and other systems.
- HeavyFeather 3y agoAre you talking about that utility that looks straight out of Windows 98? Surely it could use some love in 2023. I don’t think I’ve ever seen it updated, it’s not an acceptable UI for consumers.
- HnUser12 3y agoSomeone linked this on the top https://rmondello.com/passwords-shortcut/ https://rmondello.com/passwords-shortcut/ You should be add this to home-screen like an app. Should make it a bit easier open passwords.