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Not easy at home in London. Our flat would not allow a cargo bike (1st floor) and there is no where outside to lock it safe and dry. 60,000 people on a 4 year

Not easy at home in London. Our flat would not allow a cargo bike (1st floor) and there is no where outside to lock it safe and dry. 60,000 people on a 4 year waiting list for on street bike parking: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-cyclists-bike-parking-wait-list-b989922.html https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-cyclists-bike-...

ClumsyPilot 4y ago
London core requires a special solution -> bikes with folding handlebar stem, folding pedals, possibly a longtail if you need to transport two kids. All of this stuff exists but the bike industry can't put 2 and 2 together. Here is a link to a folding handlebar stem that is sometimes in stock: https://flatbike.com/product/thinstem/ https://flatbike.com/product/thinstem/
Xylakant 4y ago
In your case, a Tern HSD/GSD longtail may be a better option. It’s not quite as convenient as a long John, but much more compact and parks upright, so it fits even a small apartment. Transport capacity is still great and the bigger version can seat two passengers, but the kids need to be old enough to sit and hold on themselves.
pg314 4y ago
I cannot speak for the safe part, but here in Belgium plenty of people leave their Urban Arrows outside (with a rain cover).
Moldoteck 4y ago
ive seen recently a new model of cargo bike that can be folded and it takes much less space. Myabe this helps
ianleighton 4y ago
I got an e-Muli, which is a sorta “short john” but where the front basket folds and handlebars pivot 90° so parking it is a bit more slim, more or less the footprint of a normal bike. It’s amazing — a little heavy so probably not luggable up stairs, but small enough when basket is folded that I prefer it even on errands where I don’t need the cargo space, just cause it’s electric (nice to throw a backpack in the front basket and close it, too. A little pricey since it’s made in Germany, but absolutely worth it: https://muli-cycles.de/en https://muli-cycles.de/en

ClumsyPilot 4y ago

London core requires a special solution -> bikes with folding handlebar stem, folding pedals, possibly a longtail if you need to transport two kids. All of this stuff exists but the bike industry can't put 2 and 2 together. Here is a link to a folding handlebar stem that is sometimes in stock: https://flatbike.com/product/thinstem/ https://flatbike.com/product/thinstem/

Xylakant 4y ago

In your case, a Tern HSD/GSD longtail may be a better option. It’s not quite as convenient as a long John, but much more compact and parks upright, so it fits even a small apartment. Transport capacity is still great and the bigger version can seat two passengers, but the kids need to be old enough to sit and hold on themselves.

pg314 4y ago

I cannot speak for the safe part, but here in Belgium plenty of people leave their Urban Arrows outside (with a rain cover).

Moldoteck 4y ago

ive seen recently a new model of cargo bike that can be folded and it takes much less space. Myabe this helps

ianleighton 4y ago

I got an e-Muli, which is a sorta “short john” but where the front basket folds and handlebars pivot 90° so parking it is a bit more slim, more or less the footprint of a normal bike. It’s amazing — a little heavy so probably not luggable up stairs, but small enough when basket is folded that I prefer it even on errands where I don’t need the cargo space, just cause it’s electric (nice to throw a backpack in the front basket and close it, too. A little pricey since it’s made in Germany, but absolutely worth it: https://muli-cycles.de/en https://muli-cycles.de/en