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Thanks for linking this. I needed a good chuckle this morning. On a more serious note. I'm gay and if you want to know why Pride parades, Pride month, and bein

by oramit 4y ago

Thanks for linking this. I needed a good chuckle this morning. On a more serious note. I'm gay and if you want to know why Pride parades, Pride month, and being out is so important, it's this sort of rhetoric. Calls for "biblical morality" and "homosexual crimes" to be punished are coded calls for our destruction. This sort of thinking is always absolutist and apocalyptic. There is nothing I can do to "tone it down" that will make them happy. They simply want us dead. Being out is the only real defense we have because we then go from a demonized other to just your friend, coworker, or family member. We're here, we're queer - fuck off.

PuppyTailWags 4y ago
For anyone curious about what oramit's talking about: Gay people have tried extremely hard in the past to "fit in", especially during the AIDS crisis. Gay catholics at the time were forced to face the fact that, if they acquired AIDS (at that time known clinically as "Gay-related immune deficiency") they will have to face the horrific and slow deaths without the support of their religious leaders due to homophobia. These were churchgoing, churchfearing, model catholics who did everything they could to fit into their parish and the church turned their back on them to the point where they could not even hold bible studies amongst themselves on church grounds. Basically, the way AIDS victims were dehumanized, mistreated, overall publicly humiliated, shattered any real belief that if you just tried to fit in enough society will treat you as one of their own. Ultimately, the LGBTQ community were the only people supporting the LGBTQ community, and this required radical self-acceptance movements in the face of horrific death and apathy.
- Connor_Creegan 4y ago
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  - PuppyTailWags 4y ago
    You're trying to excuse the way the Catholic church turned their backs on mass death and suffering within their communities by blaming the sufferers. This is the precise horrible truth that gay people were faced with during the AIDS crisis, when them and their peers were dying horrific death en masse and they were at the same time being ousted from their bible studies and refused to be given final rites on their deathbeds. The church will watch gay people die on the street and spit on their graves like everyone else, and all the speech of forgiveness and compassion was actually a lie. Gay people aren't equal humans in their eyes. Like I said before: the only people supporting queer people were the queer people. The only thing they could do is love themselves, for the world was glad their deaths were painful, slow, and public.
    - Connor_Creegan 4y ago
      These instances of rejection of final rights - were perhaps some of these cases due to the fear of transmission prior to common understanding of the means of transmission? Same for the Bible studies? Again with the term "queer", this masks the important distinction mentioned above, because its use presents certain actions as morally-neutral. Many of us view(ed) the AIDS crisis as being used as a justification for sinful actions. I'm sure you're familiar with the Stop the Church event (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_the_Church https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_the_Church). It is rather obvious, based on who organized this event and others like it that they were opposed to actual teachings of the Church, such as its condemnation of sodomy, contraception (even as a prophylactic against contracting diseases) and even abortion.
  - tptacek 4y ago
    I'm Catholic. I'm sure there are some Catholics that believe the stuff you're saying, just like there are some Baptists who are Westboro Baptists. Just to keep the categories clear.
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by oramit 4y ago

PuppyTailWags 4y ago

For anyone curious about what oramit's talking about: Gay people have tried extremely hard in the past to "fit in", especially during the AIDS crisis. Gay catholics at the time were forced to face the fact that, if they acquired AIDS (at that time known clinically as "Gay-related immune deficiency") they will have to face the horrific and slow deaths without the support of their religious leaders due to homophobia. These were churchgoing, churchfearing, model catholics who did everything they could to fit into their parish and the church turned their back on them to the point where they could not even hold bible studies amongst themselves on church grounds. Basically, the way AIDS victims were dehumanized, mistreated, overall publicly humiliated, shattered any real belief that if you just tried to fit in enough society will treat you as one of their own. Ultimately, the LGBTQ community were the only people supporting the LGBTQ community, and this required radical self-acceptance movements in the face of horrific death and apathy.

Connor_Creegan 4y ago
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- PuppyTailWags 4y ago
  You're trying to excuse the way the Catholic church turned their backs on mass death and suffering within their communities by blaming the sufferers. This is the precise horrible truth that gay people were faced with during the AIDS crisis, when them and their peers were dying horrific death en masse and they were at the same time being ousted from their bible studies and refused to be given final rites on their deathbeds. The church will watch gay people die on the street and spit on their graves like everyone else, and all the speech of forgiveness and compassion was actually a lie. Gay people aren't equal humans in their eyes. Like I said before: the only people supporting queer people were the queer people. The only thing they could do is love themselves, for the world was glad their deaths were painful, slow, and public.
  - Connor_Creegan 4y ago
    These instances of rejection of final rights - were perhaps some of these cases due to the fear of transmission prior to common understanding of the means of transmission? Same for the Bible studies? Again with the term "queer", this masks the important distinction mentioned above, because its use presents certain actions as morally-neutral. Many of us view(ed) the AIDS crisis as being used as a justification for sinful actions. I'm sure you're familiar with the Stop the Church event (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_the_Church https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_the_Church). It is rather obvious, based on who organized this event and others like it that they were opposed to actual teachings of the Church, such as its condemnation of sodomy, contraception (even as a prophylactic against contracting diseases) and even abortion.
- tptacek 4y ago
  I'm Catholic. I'm sure there are some Catholics that believe the stuff you're saying, just like there are some Baptists who are Westboro Baptists. Just to keep the categories clear.
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