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>Unfortunately, we just couldn't back down from the demands to have a discord server Except you could've, and still can. People need to learn how to adapt. The

>Unfortunately, we just couldn't back down from the demands to have a discord server Except you could've, and still can. People need to learn how to adapt. There's no reason a Discord server is necessary for distributing and discussing anticheat software. Thousands of much larger, more important projects are doing just fine without Discord™ servers, and part of it is the people with influence putting their feet down at the mention of Discord, a glorified spyware platform populated with the socially deprived. Discord is rarely ever a key piece of infrastructure necessary for advertising and documentation for the majority of projects that have one attached to themselves.

RJIb8RBYxzAMX9u 4y ago
> Except you could've, and still can. For many scenes, the community is an integral part of the ecosystem. Unless OP is the only person who can develop anti-cheat software, s/he's beholden to the community even if s/he's among the leader(s). > People need to learn how to adapt. They will adapt by starting their own Discord and cutting OP out.
- bombcar 4y ago
  This is exactly it. I’m in a few forums that insist on no discord and unless you go out of your way to provide a chat alternative there will just be unofficial discords. Discord is a cancer.
  - the_af 4y ago
    Sadly. The good news is that you'll have additional fragmentation with facebook groups and reddit, all overlapping your community so that no two groups are exactly the same! If you want to post an update to the community for $thing, you must remember the Discord, Facebook group and reddit sub! "Hey guys, we already have a reddit sub, do we really need a facebook group?" "Well, if you don't mind I'll go create an unofficial $thing fb group!" (Bonus points if you subscribe to all and get to see the same content being posted to every venue, with somewhat the same people reacting to it. It boggles the mind)
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    - BlueTemplar 4y ago
      You are making it worse yourself by posting your updates on those walled gardens.
      - the_af 4y ago
        Yes. But I mean, these are not communities I created myself. Whatever the platform (phpbb, reddit, fb, etc) I always witness a sizeable portion of the community split away to something else (Discord, etc). It's maddening.
      - bombcar 4y ago
        It always ends up being a doomed if you do, doomed if you don't. If you don't post on those groups or create them, they get created anyway, and now they exist and you have no direct influence on them; and that can easily result in a community misunderstanding and split. And if you do create them, you've encouraged walled gardening and there will STILL be stuff not duplicated.
        BlueTemplar 4y ago
        Splits can always happen, and are probably a good thing once the community gets big enough, and it is also a good thing that these splits are even easier if you're not using platforms. Doesn't mean you have to support the people that chose to go elsewhere and tolerate those that are advertising platforms.
        the_af 4y ago
        > and are probably a good thing once the community gets big enough Splits are happening in small-ish communities too. People don't know why, but they have to have Discord, facebook, reddit, etc. And if you join all of them -- which you often do in case they are similar but not exactly the same ("Why are you asking this? The answer was posted to the facebook group! Oh, but we are in Reddit, never mind, here's a link to fb") -- you'll see some of the same people in all of them. The one caveat is that the "owner" of the community (say, the game devs if this is about a game) are likely to be more active in only one of the platforms; Murphy's Law dictates it likely won't be in the one you prefer. Which really raises the question, if (almost) the same bunch of people is posting in Discord/fb/reddit/whatever, do we really need all those platforms? What purpose do they serve? But indeed it's doomed if you do and doomed if you don't. You have no control. You can be sure someone will create that goddamn Discord.
- the_af 4y ago
  > They will adapt by starting their own Discord and cutting OP out Exactly. And it's depressing. People of every community think they "need" Discord (or a similar tool) and if you don't create it, they'll create it themselves. "Hey, what about if AwesomeCommunity had a Discord?" "I don't see the point, we already have a group here." "Well, but some people like Discord!" "Ok" "Do you mind if we create a fan Discord community then?" And presto! The community gets Discord and additional fragmentation, whether you like it or not.
- Evidlo 4y ago
  Just bridge it to Matrix for archival and for a fallback chat.
INTPenis 4y ago
Discord is huge with the kids today. I saw my nephew kept checking his phone and like a typical old fart I challenged him and asked what the hell he's checking. Turns out it's discord. He subscribes to channels on discord, some are read-only, just a way of distributing notifications. The draw is the single sign on. You sign on to one simple service and you have all your friends, all the games you follow, all the groups.

RJIb8RBYxzAMX9u 4y ago

> Except you could've, and still can. For many scenes, the community is an integral part of the ecosystem. Unless OP is the only person who can develop anti-cheat software, s/he's beholden to the community even if s/he's among the leader(s). > People need to learn how to adapt. They will adapt by starting their own Discord and cutting OP out.

bombcar 4y ago
This is exactly it. I’m in a few forums that insist on no discord and unless you go out of your way to provide a chat alternative there will just be unofficial discords. Discord is a cancer.
- the_af 4y ago
  Sadly. The good news is that you'll have additional fragmentation with facebook groups and reddit, all overlapping your community so that no two groups are exactly the same! If you want to post an update to the community for $thing, you must remember the Discord, Facebook group and reddit sub! "Hey guys, we already have a reddit sub, do we really need a facebook group?" "Well, if you don't mind I'll go create an unofficial $thing fb group!" (Bonus points if you subscribe to all and get to see the same content being posted to every venue, with somewhat the same people reacting to it. It boggles the mind)
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  - BlueTemplar 4y ago
    You are making it worse yourself by posting your updates on those walled gardens.
    - the_af 4y ago
      Yes. But I mean, these are not communities I created myself. Whatever the platform (phpbb, reddit, fb, etc) I always witness a sizeable portion of the community split away to something else (Discord, etc). It's maddening.
    - bombcar 4y ago
      It always ends up being a doomed if you do, doomed if you don't. If you don't post on those groups or create them, they get created anyway, and now they exist and you have no direct influence on them; and that can easily result in a community misunderstanding and split. And if you do create them, you've encouraged walled gardening and there will STILL be stuff not duplicated.
      - BlueTemplar 4y ago
        Splits can always happen, and are probably a good thing once the community gets big enough, and it is also a good thing that these splits are even easier if you're not using platforms. Doesn't mean you have to support the people that chose to go elsewhere and tolerate those that are advertising platforms.
        the_af 4y ago
        > and are probably a good thing once the community gets big enough Splits are happening in small-ish communities too. People don't know why, but they have to have Discord, facebook, reddit, etc. And if you join all of them -- which you often do in case they are similar but not exactly the same ("Why are you asking this? The answer was posted to the facebook group! Oh, but we are in Reddit, never mind, here's a link to fb") -- you'll see some of the same people in all of them. The one caveat is that the "owner" of the community (say, the game devs if this is about a game) are likely to be more active in only one of the platforms; Murphy's Law dictates it likely won't be in the one you prefer. Which really raises the question, if (almost) the same bunch of people is posting in Discord/fb/reddit/whatever, do we really need all those platforms? What purpose do they serve? But indeed it's doomed if you do and doomed if you don't. You have no control. You can be sure someone will create that goddamn Discord.
the_af 4y ago
> They will adapt by starting their own Discord and cutting OP out Exactly. And it's depressing. People of every community think they "need" Discord (or a similar tool) and if you don't create it, they'll create it themselves. "Hey, what about if AwesomeCommunity had a Discord?" "I don't see the point, we already have a group here." "Well, but some people like Discord!" "Ok" "Do you mind if we create a fan Discord community then?" And presto! The community gets Discord and additional fragmentation, whether you like it or not.
Evidlo 4y ago
Just bridge it to Matrix for archival and for a fallback chat.

INTPenis 4y ago

Discord is huge with the kids today. I saw my nephew kept checking his phone and like a typical old fart I challenged him and asked what the hell he's checking. Turns out it's discord. He subscribes to channels on discord, some are read-only, just a way of distributing notifications. The draw is the single sign on. You sign on to one simple service and you have all your friends, all the games you follow, all the groups.