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yea but apple has also chosen to use lightning with shit xfer speeds just to lock in its customers. m1 might have been nice but not every descision they made wa

yea but apple has also chosen to use lightning with shit xfer speeds just to lock in its customers. m1 might have been nice but not every descision they made was good (look how they nerfed qualcomm iphones back in the day because the intel models couldnt compete with it)

ZainRiz 4y ago
First I'm hearing about nerfed iphones, but if true this sounds like a reasonable decision from a business perspective. They wouldn't want customers worrying about whether they got the better qualcomm iPhone X or the slower intel iPhone X. Apple could have chosen to make everything with the faster qualcomm chips, but they prob wanted to derisk their supply chain by diversifying onto two chip manufacturers (and perhaps play them against each other for negotiating power) Either ways, once you arrive a the result that you need to chip manufacturers making chips for the same phones, you need to make sure your customers have practically the same experience regardless of the underlying hardware they end up with Consistency is key
unxdfa 4y ago
The reason they went with Lightning was because the other option was Micro-USB at the time. Lightning is so so so much more robust than that awful USB connector and can be inserted any way round. Bring on 2015 and USB-C appeared which Apple jumped on pretty quickly with their MacBooks. The iPhone is an outlier because due to the insane number of devices out there, if you change it now everyone's Lightning accessories are dead in the water. But it doesn't really matter now. Only thing Lightning gets used for most users is charging and it works fine for that and people have cables and chargers already floating around. This isn't a big deal really. They ship a USB-C to Lightning cable with the last 2 iPhones I bought and all my chargers are USB-C.
- yieldcrv 4y ago
  > This isn't a big deal really. The USB 2.0 speeds are a big deal. If your iCloud Drive is full and your phone is full, your wired backup that should take 20 minutes is going to take 14 hours. I hope the EU forces their hand on putting USB-C in at USB 3 or Thunderbolt speeds.
  - unxdfa 4y ago
    I haven't had that happen in the 10 years I've had iOS devices. Last time I plugged anything in other than for charging was an iPod. Even my DSLR talks to the phone via WiFi.
    - yieldcrv 4y ago
      was there a point you are making or just a natural language response? your use case isn't the only use case, expanding the possible use cases in obvious ways expands what users would do, such as upgrading 10 year old technology. News at 11.
      - unxdfa 4y ago
        The point is that sure you can punch yourself in the balls, complain it hurts then call for the regulators to provide a mechanism for you to stop punching yourself in the balls. Or you could just stop punching yourself in the balls i.e. use WiFi and FGS just pay $3 for some storage rather than coming up with a wobbly straw man. My experience is fairly vast. I use iOS for music/video/photography (iPad Pro), and support 11 other iOS devices (excluding watches, homepods) across my family who range from biochemical engineers to students to children to retirees to software engineers. That use case NEVER comes up these days in my experience unless you're hurting yourself.
        yieldcrv 4y ago
        this isn't a problem I have, it is a problem I know other people have. solved by faster transfer speeds than what Wifi or any airdrop combo offers. I am completely aware of how to avoid the problem, I am also completely aware of how to make it less of a problem with faster transfer speeds. why are you worried about accessories? Apple absolutely is not worried about that, one of their favorite things to do is pull the rug under accessory holders.
        alexdbird 4y ago
        > Apple absolutely is not worried about that, one of their favorite things to do is pull the rug under accessory holders. This simply isn’t borne out by fact. The entire iPod, iPhone and iPad (non-Pro) range, going back over 20 years, have had exactly two connectors. I bet there isn’t someone at Samsung or Motorola who can even tell you how many different connectors their products have used over that period of time, let alone what they were.

ZainRiz 4y ago

First I'm hearing about nerfed iphones, but if true this sounds like a reasonable decision from a business perspective. They wouldn't want customers worrying about whether they got the better qualcomm iPhone X or the slower intel iPhone X. Apple could have chosen to make everything with the faster qualcomm chips, but they prob wanted to derisk their supply chain by diversifying onto two chip manufacturers (and perhaps play them against each other for negotiating power) Either ways, once you arrive a the result that you need to chip manufacturers making chips for the same phones, you need to make sure your customers have practically the same experience regardless of the underlying hardware they end up with Consistency is key

unxdfa 4y ago

The reason they went with Lightning was because the other option was Micro-USB at the time. Lightning is so so so much more robust than that awful USB connector and can be inserted any way round. Bring on 2015 and USB-C appeared which Apple jumped on pretty quickly with their MacBooks. The iPhone is an outlier because due to the insane number of devices out there, if you change it now everyone's Lightning accessories are dead in the water. But it doesn't really matter now. Only thing Lightning gets used for most users is charging and it works fine for that and people have cables and chargers already floating around. This isn't a big deal really. They ship a USB-C to Lightning cable with the last 2 iPhones I bought and all my chargers are USB-C.

yieldcrv 4y ago
> This isn't a big deal really. The USB 2.0 speeds are a big deal. If your iCloud Drive is full and your phone is full, your wired backup that should take 20 minutes is going to take 14 hours. I hope the EU forces their hand on putting USB-C in at USB 3 or Thunderbolt speeds.
- unxdfa 4y ago
  I haven't had that happen in the 10 years I've had iOS devices. Last time I plugged anything in other than for charging was an iPod. Even my DSLR talks to the phone via WiFi.
  - yieldcrv 4y ago
    was there a point you are making or just a natural language response? your use case isn't the only use case, expanding the possible use cases in obvious ways expands what users would do, such as upgrading 10 year old technology. News at 11.
    - unxdfa 4y ago
      The point is that sure you can punch yourself in the balls, complain it hurts then call for the regulators to provide a mechanism for you to stop punching yourself in the balls. Or you could just stop punching yourself in the balls i.e. use WiFi and FGS just pay $3 for some storage rather than coming up with a wobbly straw man. My experience is fairly vast. I use iOS for music/video/photography (iPad Pro), and support 11 other iOS devices (excluding watches, homepods) across my family who range from biochemical engineers to students to children to retirees to software engineers. That use case NEVER comes up these days in my experience unless you're hurting yourself.
      - yieldcrv 4y ago
        this isn't a problem I have, it is a problem I know other people have. solved by faster transfer speeds than what Wifi or any airdrop combo offers. I am completely aware of how to avoid the problem, I am also completely aware of how to make it less of a problem with faster transfer speeds. why are you worried about accessories? Apple absolutely is not worried about that, one of their favorite things to do is pull the rug under accessory holders.
        alexdbird 4y ago
        > Apple absolutely is not worried about that, one of their favorite things to do is pull the rug under accessory holders. This simply isn’t borne out by fact. The entire iPod, iPhone and iPad (non-Pro) range, going back over 20 years, have had exactly two connectors. I bet there isn’t someone at Samsung or Motorola who can even tell you how many different connectors their products have used over that period of time, let alone what they were.