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In 2017, a typo was fixed. The content is from 2013: https://cgit.freedesktop.org/wiki/xorg/log/Development/X12.mdwn https://cgit.freedesktop.org/wiki/xorg/log/

• avhception 4y ago
  Yet I'm still running X11, with Wayland still struggling and no X12 in sight.
  • petepete 4y ago
    Not sure it's fair to call it struggling when it's the default in just about every distro and has been smooth and stable for years.
    • stonogo 4y ago
      I think it's fair, since every one of those distros ships an X11 fallback. I desperately want Wayland to succeed but exaggerating its current wins won't get us there. I don't want this post to focus on the negative, though, so I'll suggest a more positive argument: the people who would have been responsible for a hypothetical X12 instead decided to make Wayland. I can't think of a body of experts more likely to make a correct decision, so I have confidence in Wayland as the path forward.
      • scrollaway 4y ago
        Shipping a fallback doesn’t mean the alternative is not in daily use.
      • petepete 4y ago
        Fair. I'll admit there are a few rough edges, mainly caused by some apps (Slack) having older versions of certain libraries that makes some functionality (like screen sharing) break.
      • saturn_vk 4y ago
        I mean, before Wayland every distro shipped with a text console as a fallback to X11
  • pabs3 4y ago
    I've been running Wayland for years. It does everything X11 does at this point and is better in some ways.
  • bartvk 4y ago
    I'm not up to date on the Linux desktop ecosystem. In what sense is Wayland struggling?
    • aidenn0 4y ago
      It doesn't work reliably on any GPU I own, for any stable version of a linux distro I use. One GPU is too old, the other is too nvidia.
      • vanderZwan 4y ago
        To be fair, I'm on an five-year old laptop with NVIDIA and since last year it almost works well enough to be a daily driver. For some weird reason Chromium doesn't render at all, even though Chrome does. That's the only remaining bug of significance. Whereas when I tried a year before I had to bail after an hour because many applications would just have a black screen. It kind of feels like it will take only one more year for this to work well enough (except then the laptop might be so old hardware support ends up lacking)
      • kaba0 4y ago
        Wayland uses linux’s gpu abstraction (drm) to work and that’s it. If it fails to work than linux also does, so your setup has some issues.
        • aidenn0 4y ago
          I have to disable hardware compositing on X11 to get a reliable desktop (and HW rendering in individual apps like firefox). I'm not sure if something similar is possible on Wayland.
          • saturn_vk 4y ago
            It doesn't sound like X11 is running reliably for you either
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  • kevincox 4y ago
    Wayland is X12.
• mkl 4y ago
  2013 is when the format was converted to markdown. No idea when the content is from.
  • Semaphor 4y ago
    Looks like it started in 2007 [0], though the content was pretty different, there were some updates over the years, and the current version is indeed from 2013 [1] [0]: https://web.archive.org/web/20071123130628/https://www.x.org/wiki/Development/X12/ https://web.archive.org/web/20071123130628/https://www.x.org... [1]: https://web.archive.org/web/20131222002042/https://www.x.org/wiki/Development/X12/ https://web.archive.org/web/20131222002042/https://www.x.org...
• pfoof 4y ago
  wanted to see if it was committed on april 1st