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A lot of designers are already abandoning Adobe because they are tired of their garbage. Many of my peers have turned to Serif Affinity apps as Photoshop/Illust

A lot of designers are already abandoning Adobe because they are tired of their garbage. Many of my peers have turned to Serif Affinity apps as Photoshop/Illustrator/InDesign replacements and they do an incredible job. Nobody cares about Adobe on iPads, most artists are reaching for Procreate. Most of the issues involve sharing of files since Adobe has such a large share and their file types are proprietary. There are alternatives out there and Figma has a huge grip on web design among other things. Adobe has nothing good for web design. Nobody wants to use XD. So you can see that there is already strong push away from Adobe. I don't know if Figma is going to eat Adobe's lunch in the next couple years, but they will be poised to be competitive.

dikaio 4y ago
Agree. Installing one adobe app requires the installation of their app manager which sits in the background. Also the one app installed, installs and creates about 10 different directories, excess junk, pretty much what adobe has become. Now they try to buy out brilliant apps like figma which will only kill the life of it IMO.
spaceguillotine 4y ago
I tried using the Adobe iPad apps, they are so far behind the desktop versions its unreal. I got so frustrated with Illustrator i stopped using it and have been trying Inkscape on my desktop instead. I don't want monthly fees for design software. Procreate is amazing but lacks the vector needs I have. I've given up using my iPad Pro as anything more than a sketchpad at this point, not the Macbook replacement i wanted it to be with the lack of control over the OS and being stuck in the App Store eco system. Affinity is looking pretty attractive now too after hearing about it today. I cut my teeth on Macromedia Fireworks and Dreamweaver but all Adobe did was run them into the ground.
Espressosaurus 4y ago
Agreed. I'm not a professional, but I'm willing to spend money like a pro and I have gone out of my way to avoid Adobe products due to their business practices. So far the main place that is hurting me is Lightroom. None of the equivalents I've tried are as good (still need to try Capture One one of these days, except they are also starting to be...not great with their business). Affinity Photo is a pretty good Photoshop replacement, but I'm still waiting for them to release a Lightroom replacement. Lord knows someone needs to start eating Adobe's lunch. They've had a stranglehold for too long.
- zztop44 4y ago
  I mean Figma has been devouring their lunch to the point where Adobe was prepared to pay them $20bn to stop
- syeare 4y ago
  Capture One Pro is AMAZING for photography and managing large catalogs of RAW images. It's great for nondestructive editing and is a killer combo with Luminar/Luminar Neo. Also, I'm not sure why, but stock (no 3rd party plug-ins) Capture One Pro seems to somehow make colors pop a bit more than stock Lightroom
_8j50 4y ago
> Adobe has nothing good for web design They acquired Macromedia dreamweaver back in the day and killed it. RIP to a fallen hero.
- cmdialog 4y ago
  I remember when Dreamweaver was Allaire Homesite, and was then purchased by Macromedia for their suite. Macromedia didn't do such a great job with it either in my opinion.
pjmlp 4y ago
Over here on my bubble, Adobe reigns supreme as always.
- ido 4y ago
  +1 anecdata, I've tried to get colleagues off of adobe suite for years to little success.
  - cmdialog 4y ago
    Adobe Suite is always going to be around, no doubt, but you also have viable alternatives for the day to day work, and then you use Adobe stuff when you have to, for a client that requires it for instance. Prior to moving to Figma 100% of the time, my current agency, and prior agency, were using Sketch. Adobe products were secondary. Others in my field have reported largely the same. Most of the time people simply don't want to change what's familiar and works, regardless of how much they are paying or who they are paying.
    - pjmlp 4y ago
      Adobe is much more than only creative suite, it is usually on pair with SAP in enterprise deployments for content management and tooling for CMS.
- godzillabrennus 4y ago
  Yeah, I do some design work for our organization and my time is more valuable than the tool. Figma makes creating a feedback loop easier with a group so it’s worth learning but most of the time adobe products still reign supreme.
knicholes 4y ago
It's funny you say that, because if you look at Adobe's financials, you'll find that yoy revenue has continued to only increase and is continually hitting new records.
- tankerkiller125 4y ago
  That's because they switched to a subscription model and are practically forcing companies to switch from their legacy perpetual licensing model. I can assure you that it's pissing a lot of people off and a lot of people are trying to find alternatives. Where I work we dropped Adobe Pro because of the subscription model and switched over to FoxIT
  - cmdialog 4y ago
    Not only do they have a subscription model, but if you get their biggest single user package, which is ~$54/mo, they charge you ~$300 early cancellation fee. This is insane to me and is the main reason why I personally dumped them for my professional use.
- deleted 4y ago
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- macintux 4y ago
  BlackBerry’s best years were after the iPhone launched. I’m not saying Adobe’s looking at a similar collapse, but trends can be misleading.
ChrisMarshallNY 4y ago
> Procreate Procreate is f**king amazing. The combination of the 12-inch (or, in my case, Mini) iPad (with PaperLike screen protector), Pencil 2, and Procreate is awesome.
- cmdialog 4y ago
  High five, I also got iPad + PaperLike screen protector combo and it really is super nice

dikaio 4y ago

Agree. Installing one adobe app requires the installation of their app manager which sits in the background. Also the one app installed, installs and creates about 10 different directories, excess junk, pretty much what adobe has become. Now they try to buy out brilliant apps like figma which will only kill the life of it IMO.

spaceguillotine 4y ago

I tried using the Adobe iPad apps, they are so far behind the desktop versions its unreal. I got so frustrated with Illustrator i stopped using it and have been trying Inkscape on my desktop instead. I don't want monthly fees for design software. Procreate is amazing but lacks the vector needs I have. I've given up using my iPad Pro as anything more than a sketchpad at this point, not the Macbook replacement i wanted it to be with the lack of control over the OS and being stuck in the App Store eco system. Affinity is looking pretty attractive now too after hearing about it today. I cut my teeth on Macromedia Fireworks and Dreamweaver but all Adobe did was run them into the ground.

Espressosaurus 4y ago

Agreed. I'm not a professional, but I'm willing to spend money like a pro and I have gone out of my way to avoid Adobe products due to their business practices. So far the main place that is hurting me is Lightroom. None of the equivalents I've tried are as good (still need to try Capture One one of these days, except they are also starting to be...not great with their business). Affinity Photo is a pretty good Photoshop replacement, but I'm still waiting for them to release a Lightroom replacement. Lord knows someone needs to start eating Adobe's lunch. They've had a stranglehold for too long.

zztop44 4y ago
I mean Figma has been devouring their lunch to the point where Adobe was prepared to pay them $20bn to stop
syeare 4y ago
Capture One Pro is AMAZING for photography and managing large catalogs of RAW images. It's great for nondestructive editing and is a killer combo with Luminar/Luminar Neo. Also, I'm not sure why, but stock (no 3rd party plug-ins) Capture One Pro seems to somehow make colors pop a bit more than stock Lightroom

_8j50 4y ago

> Adobe has nothing good for web design They acquired Macromedia dreamweaver back in the day and killed it. RIP to a fallen hero.

cmdialog 4y ago
I remember when Dreamweaver was Allaire Homesite, and was then purchased by Macromedia for their suite. Macromedia didn't do such a great job with it either in my opinion.

pjmlp 4y ago

Over here on my bubble, Adobe reigns supreme as always.

ido 4y ago
+1 anecdata, I've tried to get colleagues off of adobe suite for years to little success.
- cmdialog 4y ago
  Adobe Suite is always going to be around, no doubt, but you also have viable alternatives for the day to day work, and then you use Adobe stuff when you have to, for a client that requires it for instance. Prior to moving to Figma 100% of the time, my current agency, and prior agency, were using Sketch. Adobe products were secondary. Others in my field have reported largely the same. Most of the time people simply don't want to change what's familiar and works, regardless of how much they are paying or who they are paying.
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    Adobe is much more than only creative suite, it is usually on pair with SAP in enterprise deployments for content management and tooling for CMS.
godzillabrennus 4y ago
Yeah, I do some design work for our organization and my time is more valuable than the tool. Figma makes creating a feedback loop easier with a group so it’s worth learning but most of the time adobe products still reign supreme.

knicholes 4y ago

It's funny you say that, because if you look at Adobe's financials, you'll find that yoy revenue has continued to only increase and is continually hitting new records.

tankerkiller125 4y ago
That's because they switched to a subscription model and are practically forcing companies to switch from their legacy perpetual licensing model. I can assure you that it's pissing a lot of people off and a lot of people are trying to find alternatives. Where I work we dropped Adobe Pro because of the subscription model and switched over to FoxIT
- cmdialog 4y ago
  Not only do they have a subscription model, but if you get their biggest single user package, which is ~$54/mo, they charge you ~$300 early cancellation fee. This is insane to me and is the main reason why I personally dumped them for my professional use.
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macintux 4y ago
BlackBerry’s best years were after the iPhone launched. I’m not saying Adobe’s looking at a similar collapse, but trends can be misleading.

ChrisMarshallNY 4y ago

> Procreate Procreate is f**king amazing. The combination of the 12-inch (or, in my case, Mini) iPad (with PaperLike screen protector), Pencil 2, and Procreate is awesome.

cmdialog 4y ago
High five, I also got iPad + PaperLike screen protector combo and it really is super nice