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> You will not find the same on an M1/2. In fact I'm not sure it even warms up? My M2 does quite regularly with only Chrome, Slack, VS Code and a few docker co

by niclo 4y ago

> You will not find the same on an M1/2. In fact I'm not sure it even warms up? My M2 does quite regularly with only Chrome, Slack, VS Code and a few docker containers running.

ChrisRR 4y ago
I hate that sub downvotes facts that they don't like
- catchnear4321 4y ago
  You’re confusing facts with anecdotal evidence.
ghc 4y ago
I know from extensive debugging of this issue that docker is the problem. You basically can't run docker (as of 6 months ago...I hope this will eventually be false) on an M1/M2 without causing significant heating and battery drain. Since this is the fault of the OS, maybe Asahi will eventually be the solution.
- niclo 4y ago
  Yes, same conclusion. I wonder if people using it for writing code are running docker at all, you read so many comments on HN of how the battery life is incredible (on any thread about comparisons between any Mac and any other laptop) while in my experience a full charge Macbook Air M2 lasts about 6 hours with Docker running instead of the usual 15 it lasts when its off.
  - kitsunesoba 4y ago
    I use my company-provided M1 Pro MBP for mobile dev (Xcode, Android Studio) and battery life and heat are both great for that use case. Very rarely run Docker, but when I have it's seemed more resource hungry than anything else running.
  - zoover2020 4y ago
    Can't you run Docker on a remote host? I always have a 64GB memory EC2 instance near if required.
  - paulmd 4y ago
    Run arm64 ubuntu in a VM and use arm64 images and it should be very fine? I have a 256GB (with easy/cheap room for 768gb) 28c haswell-e server sitting in my basement though too. Costs like 1/3 of a macbook pro if it comes down to it.
  - mariosisters 4y ago
    I write code full time. I run Docker as little as possible, preferring to run everything “natively”. It’s so much simpler than figuring out how to get whatever shitty webstack working with reloading etc. It’s faster. Battery life is better. There’s no downside in my experience as macOS is a good enough *nix that almost everything Just Works™. The only time I run Docker is to test an image locally, which is in general only to debug my Dockerfile.
  - acdha 4y ago
    I switched to using Podman when the licensing terms came out and it was clear we weren’t going to be able to get a procurement through. The move was generally painless and the battery life is great - no noticeable impact unless I’m actually hammering the CPU in a container.
  - OmarAssadi 4y ago
    Are you running arm64 or amd64 images? I switched from docker to podman, mostly due to other issues (e.g., the weirdness with the Docker VM seemingly growing infinitely in size and refusing to trim automaticity), but running arm-native containers has never really made my battery life significantly worse. The 12+ hours, though, I’m not sure how people are getting that consistently. I feel like VS Code and some LSPs alone make that impossible for me. I can’t imagine if I were doing some web dev stuff and needed Chrome installed of Safari too.
- zozbot234 4y ago
  You could also launch a Linux VM and run your docker containers in there. That ought to work better than just running docker in Mac OS and letting it manage VM instances on its own.
  - Vrondi 4y ago
    You shouldn't pay more money for a top-shelf laptop, then need to do this.
- bonestamp2 4y ago
  Can confirm.

by niclo 4y ago

> You will not find the same on an M1/2. In fact I'm not sure it even warms up? My M2 does quite regularly with only Chrome, Slack, VS Code and a few docker containers running.

ChrisRR 4y ago

I hate that sub downvotes facts that they don't like

catchnear4321 4y ago
You’re confusing facts with anecdotal evidence.

ghc 4y ago

I know from extensive debugging of this issue that docker is the problem. You basically can't run docker (as of 6 months ago...I hope this will eventually be false) on an M1/M2 without causing significant heating and battery drain. Since this is the fault of the OS, maybe Asahi will eventually be the solution.

niclo 4y ago
Yes, same conclusion. I wonder if people using it for writing code are running docker at all, you read so many comments on HN of how the battery life is incredible (on any thread about comparisons between any Mac and any other laptop) while in my experience a full charge Macbook Air M2 lasts about 6 hours with Docker running instead of the usual 15 it lasts when its off.
- kitsunesoba 4y ago
  I use my company-provided M1 Pro MBP for mobile dev (Xcode, Android Studio) and battery life and heat are both great for that use case. Very rarely run Docker, but when I have it's seemed more resource hungry than anything else running.
- zoover2020 4y ago
  Can't you run Docker on a remote host? I always have a 64GB memory EC2 instance near if required.
- paulmd 4y ago
  Run arm64 ubuntu in a VM and use arm64 images and it should be very fine? I have a 256GB (with easy/cheap room for 768gb) 28c haswell-e server sitting in my basement though too. Costs like 1/3 of a macbook pro if it comes down to it.
- mariosisters 4y ago
  I write code full time. I run Docker as little as possible, preferring to run everything “natively”. It’s so much simpler than figuring out how to get whatever shitty webstack working with reloading etc. It’s faster. Battery life is better. There’s no downside in my experience as macOS is a good enough *nix that almost everything Just Works™. The only time I run Docker is to test an image locally, which is in general only to debug my Dockerfile.
- acdha 4y ago
  I switched to using Podman when the licensing terms came out and it was clear we weren’t going to be able to get a procurement through. The move was generally painless and the battery life is great - no noticeable impact unless I’m actually hammering the CPU in a container.
- OmarAssadi 4y ago
  Are you running arm64 or amd64 images? I switched from docker to podman, mostly due to other issues (e.g., the weirdness with the Docker VM seemingly growing infinitely in size and refusing to trim automaticity), but running arm-native containers has never really made my battery life significantly worse. The 12+ hours, though, I’m not sure how people are getting that consistently. I feel like VS Code and some LSPs alone make that impossible for me. I can’t imagine if I were doing some web dev stuff and needed Chrome installed of Safari too.
zozbot234 4y ago
You could also launch a Linux VM and run your docker containers in there. That ought to work better than just running docker in Mac OS and letting it manage VM instances on its own.
- Vrondi 4y ago
  You shouldn't pay more money for a top-shelf laptop, then need to do this.
bonestamp2 4y ago
Can confirm.