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>You sign a deal to trade them X amount of minerals. The sharp end here is what happens if you don't come up with the minerals.

unity1001 4y ago
They stop giving you whatever you traded the minerals for. How is that even an argument. In what world you stop providing your end of a trade bargain and the other side keeps giving you what they were trading for. Sounds crazy.
- SlickNixon 4y ago
  What if they paid in advance?
  - unity1001 4y ago
    What if none of those nonsensical hypotheticals did not happen.
    - SlickNixon 4y ago
      I was referring of course to the hypothetical of the United States making deals to purchase minerals, paying in advance, then subjecting the countries in question to humiliating financial consequences when they can't deliver.
      - unity1001 4y ago
        There are many cases of the US literally walking back on its word or unilaterally canceling deals because it could. It even cancelled its sovereign debt that it had to other countries a few times in history. The countries used to take it because they had to. Which precisely why the global south now prefers China, Russia, Brazil, India and the entire new bloc around BRICS, SCO etc: They don't have to tolerate anything with China or Russia. When a deal is broken by a country, these two countries just stop doing business with that other country until some agreement is reached. Its simple business/trade. So much that China avoids even saying things that could be interpreted as commentaries on other countries' policies, the way to do things or their culture. Ending up in very dry press releases.
        NicoJuicy 4y ago
        > things that could be interpreted as commentaries on other countries' policies, the way to do things or their culture Rofl. That's pretty much the only thing China is actually doing. It's just constantly attacking the west instead of others in trying to spread hate. Just look up any translations of Chinese media ( eg. Weibo ) or any Chinese government official.
        unity1001 4y ago
        > That's pretty much the only thing China is actually doing. Its not. Dont make up nonsense. The US is the only exception. Two years ago the Chinese state finally learned that keeping civilized discourse and refraining from calling out bullsht does not prevent the US from lying about them. Hence the US is the only country for which they are actually calling out its doublespeak. I still think that they are acting way too civilized and reserved to be able to cope up with never-ending US sht slinging and lying.
        NicoJuicy 4y ago
        Sure it is. US isn't lying about China either. Where and what are you even talking about? I already gave multiple examples about China and it's 'failed infrastructure' and you didn't refute 1. Just praising it without examples. Here are some more: - Their sea and neighboors: https://www.cfr.org/chinas-maritime-disputes/#!/chinas-maritime-disputes?cid=otr-marketing_use-china_sea_InfoGuide https://www.cfr.org/chinas-maritime-disputes/#!/chinas-marit... - Violations with Taiwan airspace: https://www.ft.com/content/023764a2-6af2-4fbb-b75d-dd607c907f6e https://www.ft.com/content/023764a2-6af2-4fbb-b75d-dd607c907... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61642217 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61642217 - Australia former PM accussed the West to be to friendly with China against Beijing ‘bullying’ - https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/16/former-australian-pm-scott-morrison-accuses-west-of-appeasing-china https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/16/forme... ( another Chinese neighboor) - China taking global fish supplies with their army of fisherman - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/09/26/world/asia/china-fishing-south-america.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/09/26/world/asia/ch... - Chinese "little blue men", like "little green men" during its 2014 annexation of Crimea.[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Armed_Forces_Maritime_Militia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Armed_Forces_Mariti... > The armed fishing fleet are part of China's power projection,[1] and are deployed to seize territory and to target anyone who challenges China's claims to the entire South China Sea. In 2016, 230 fishing boats swarmed the same islands Here some more of their multiple "small" provocations since 1950 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_salami_slicing_strategy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_salami_slicing_strateg... ( notice the same "grey zone tactic as Russia did in Crimea - Ukraine) And last but not least. If you think it's a coincidence that Russia waited to invade Ukraine (and wait for melting snow/ice) just after the Beijing 2022 Winter Olympics, you're naive :) Beijing 2022 Winter Olympics ended on 20/02/2022. Russia invaded Ukraine on 24/02/2022. F*k China and F*k Russia. China is just using Russia as a proxy state, friends with "no limits"... Fyi, I'm from Europe. We should get China out of Europe asap, similar to how we're not allowed to do business there.

unity1001 4y ago

They stop giving you whatever you traded the minerals for. How is that even an argument. In what world you stop providing your end of a trade bargain and the other side keeps giving you what they were trading for. Sounds crazy.

SlickNixon 4y ago
What if they paid in advance?
- unity1001 4y ago
  What if none of those nonsensical hypotheticals did not happen.
  - SlickNixon 4y ago
    I was referring of course to the hypothetical of the United States making deals to purchase minerals, paying in advance, then subjecting the countries in question to humiliating financial consequences when they can't deliver.
    - unity1001 4y ago
      There are many cases of the US literally walking back on its word or unilaterally canceling deals because it could. It even cancelled its sovereign debt that it had to other countries a few times in history. The countries used to take it because they had to. Which precisely why the global south now prefers China, Russia, Brazil, India and the entire new bloc around BRICS, SCO etc: They don't have to tolerate anything with China or Russia. When a deal is broken by a country, these two countries just stop doing business with that other country until some agreement is reached. Its simple business/trade. So much that China avoids even saying things that could be interpreted as commentaries on other countries' policies, the way to do things or their culture. Ending up in very dry press releases.
      - NicoJuicy 4y ago
        > things that could be interpreted as commentaries on other countries' policies, the way to do things or their culture Rofl. That's pretty much the only thing China is actually doing. It's just constantly attacking the west instead of others in trying to spread hate. Just look up any translations of Chinese media ( eg. Weibo ) or any Chinese government official.
        unity1001 4y ago
        > That's pretty much the only thing China is actually doing. Its not. Dont make up nonsense. The US is the only exception. Two years ago the Chinese state finally learned that keeping civilized discourse and refraining from calling out bullsht does not prevent the US from lying about them. Hence the US is the only country for which they are actually calling out its doublespeak. I still think that they are acting way too civilized and reserved to be able to cope up with never-ending US sht slinging and lying.
        NicoJuicy 4y ago
        Sure it is. US isn't lying about China either. Where and what are you even talking about? I already gave multiple examples about China and it's 'failed infrastructure' and you didn't refute 1. Just praising it without examples. Here are some more: - Their sea and neighboors: https://www.cfr.org/chinas-maritime-disputes/#!/chinas-maritime-disputes?cid=otr-marketing_use-china_sea_InfoGuide https://www.cfr.org/chinas-maritime-disputes/#!/chinas-marit... - Violations with Taiwan airspace: https://www.ft.com/content/023764a2-6af2-4fbb-b75d-dd607c907f6e https://www.ft.com/content/023764a2-6af2-4fbb-b75d-dd607c907... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61642217 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61642217 - Australia former PM accussed the West to be to friendly with China against Beijing ‘bullying’ - https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/16/former-australian-pm-scott-morrison-accuses-west-of-appeasing-china https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/16/forme... ( another Chinese neighboor) - China taking global fish supplies with their army of fisherman - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/09/26/world/asia/china-fishing-south-america.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/09/26/world/asia/ch... - Chinese "little blue men", like "little green men" during its 2014 annexation of Crimea.[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Armed_Forces_Maritime_Militia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Armed_Forces_Mariti... > The armed fishing fleet are part of China's power projection,[1] and are deployed to seize territory and to target anyone who challenges China's claims to the entire South China Sea. In 2016, 230 fishing boats swarmed the same islands Here some more of their multiple "small" provocations since 1950 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_salami_slicing_strategy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_salami_slicing_strateg... ( notice the same "grey zone tactic as Russia did in Crimea - Ukraine) And last but not least. If you think it's a coincidence that Russia waited to invade Ukraine (and wait for melting snow/ice) just after the Beijing 2022 Winter Olympics, you're naive :) Beijing 2022 Winter Olympics ended on 20/02/2022. Russia invaded Ukraine on 24/02/2022. F*k China and F*k Russia. China is just using Russia as a proxy state, friends with "no limits"... Fyi, I'm from Europe. We should get China out of Europe asap, similar to how we're not allowed to do business there.