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Facebook want to harvest my data for free and now want me to pay them too? Not going to happen. Every online service is asking for money. I will just switch to

Facebook want to harvest my data for free and now want me to pay them too? Not going to happen. Every online service is asking for money. I will just switch to alternative freemium if I dont care my privacy. If I care, Facebook is on the lowest pecking lists of all my online services....and that is a very long list.

Fomite 4y ago
This. If I'm paying for it, I'm the customer. Facebook's customers are its advertisers. I'm not shelling out money to be a value added product.
- AndrewOMartin 4y ago
  'if you're not paying for the product, you are the product.' is a form of logical implication !A => B (where A is 'paying' and B is 'I'm the product), Your phrase 'If I'm paying for it, I'm the customer' is effectively stating A => !B, which unfortunately does not follow. You can validly infer "if we're not the product we must be paying", but more realistically you'll be both paying and the product (i.e. paying a subscription and receiving ads, a la cable tv).
  - npteljes 4y ago
    This saying was bullshit to begin with. The user is a product also, whether they pay or not. One example is cable television. The fees are huge, and there are lots of adverts. I think that at the end of the day, the natural order is that every entity is trying to maximize the goodness it can get, be that businesses, people, governments, churches, or any other. This is exacerbated with the fact that often it's a competition. If you don't do the level of shady shit that others are doing, you get less goodness, or even fade into irrelevance. Which is why good regulation, and culture matters a lot. Entities are powerless against systemic issues like this, the only way is to change the playing field itself.
tjpnz 4y ago
I'm sure Zuck will find some dumbfucks (his words, not mine) who are up for that.
npteljes 4y ago
If I was a business I'd immediately pay for this, because the distinction will inspire confidence. Easy as that.

Fomite 4y ago

This. If I'm paying for it, I'm the customer. Facebook's customers are its advertisers. I'm not shelling out money to be a value added product.

AndrewOMartin 4y ago
'if you're not paying for the product, you are the product.' is a form of logical implication !A => B (where A is 'paying' and B is 'I'm the product), Your phrase 'If I'm paying for it, I'm the customer' is effectively stating A => !B, which unfortunately does not follow. You can validly infer "if we're not the product we must be paying", but more realistically you'll be both paying and the product (i.e. paying a subscription and receiving ads, a la cable tv).
- npteljes 4y ago
  This saying was bullshit to begin with. The user is a product also, whether they pay or not. One example is cable television. The fees are huge, and there are lots of adverts. I think that at the end of the day, the natural order is that every entity is trying to maximize the goodness it can get, be that businesses, people, governments, churches, or any other. This is exacerbated with the fact that often it's a competition. If you don't do the level of shady shit that others are doing, you get less goodness, or even fade into irrelevance. Which is why good regulation, and culture matters a lot. Entities are powerless against systemic issues like this, the only way is to change the playing field itself.

tjpnz 4y ago

I'm sure Zuck will find some dumbfucks (his words, not mine) who are up for that.

npteljes 4y ago

If I was a business I'd immediately pay for this, because the distinction will inspire confidence. Easy as that.