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I find fascinating that many of those were rejected, but "Pregnant man" and male bride were approved. https://emojipedia.org/pregnant-man/ https://emojipedia.o
by bXVsbGVy 4y ago
I find fascinating that many of those were rejected, but "Pregnant man" and male bride were approved.
https://emojipedia.org/pregnant-man/ https://emojipedia.org/pregnant-man/
https://emojiguide.com/people-body/man-with-veil/ https://emojiguide.com/people-body/man-with-veil/
- berry_sortoro 4y ago[dead]
- wsc981 4y ago[flagged]
- calvinmorrison 4y agoNo Male Child Breastfeeding An Adult Male yet? Surely endless combinations are the goal right?
- chrismorgan 4y agoAlthough footnotes 4 and 5 say “This was replaced with [emoji] during the approval process.”, this shouldn’t be taken as that it was accepted in any way. Look at what it was replaced with: MAN, ZERO WIDTH JOINER, BABY BOTTLE. That is, bottle-feeding, which is a completely different thing and much more realistic. So, now you have four relevant Recommended for General Interchange emoji: breast-feeding, and {person,woman,man} feeding baby. Well, and variants with skin tone modifiers, if you count those distinctly. With the recommendation that the baby’s head be hidden, the skin tone only applying to the feeder (https://unicode.org/reports/tr51/#Multi_Person_Groupings https://unicode.org/reports/tr51/#Multi_Person_Groupings).
- ender341341 4y agoMy only mildly knowledgeable guess would be that those are more "pregnant person" and as part of the work to add gender modifiers to emojis they just added male/female versions of a whole block that happened to include those. Would definitely love if the linked chart had a reason for rejection column
- bXVsbGVy 4y agoThe "Pregnant Person" is another, different, variant! https://emojipedia.org/pregnant-person/ https://emojipedia.org/pregnant-person/ https://emojipedia.org/pregnant-man/ https://emojipedia.org/pregnant-man/ https://emojipedia.org/pregnant-woman/ https://emojipedia.org/pregnant-woman/
- JellyBeanThief 4y agoRight. Because the system is to have woman, man, and neutral for everything. Saves debate for more important things.
- bXVsbGVy 4y agoMy issue is with those emojis is that they don't meet a few of their own criteria for a new emoji to be accepted. Their guideline: https://unicode.org/emoji/proposals.html#selection_factors_inclusion https://unicode.org/emoji/proposals.html#selection_factors_i... For instance, they suggest using "elephant" to evaluate the usage: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all_2008&gprop=images&q=elephant,pregnant%20man https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all_2008&gprop...
- JellyBeanThief 4y agoUneducated guess--somewhere someone will have archived the discussion--but I wonder if the technical complexity was also a factor. If you've made the combining characters for gender, and you've designated which characters can combine with them, but you didn't plan for characters that must be combined only in certain ways, then you're looking at having to specify all that out, and then implementers will have do their thing, and it just... wasn't worth it. Uneducated guess, though. EDIT: Googled. Here is a person who knows what was up: https://jenniferdaniel.substack.com/p/did-someone-say-new-emoji https://jenniferdaniel.substack.com/p/did-someone-say-new-em...
- dcormier 4y agoThe submission guidelines have changed over time. I would assume that, at the time, the proposals _did_ meet the guidelines.
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- mc32 4y agoMan with veil looks like a formal wear kaffiyeh. I feel like they are missing emojis representing amputees of different types.
- bXVsbGVy 4y agoAlso. There is no bald man, or facial hair variations. But there is a bearded women. https://emojipedia.org/woman-beard/ https://emojipedia.org/woman-beard/
- mc32 4y agoI mean some women do have slight facial hair but most want to de-emphasize it. Their governance seems to lack leadership and just goes with whatever pressure they feel.
- tshaddox 4y agoThere is though. https://emojipedia.org/man-bald/ https://emojipedia.org/man-bald/ https://emojipedia.org/woman-bald/ https://emojipedia.org/woman-bald/ https://emojipedia.org/person-bald/ https://emojipedia.org/person-bald/
- bXVsbGVy 4y agoRight, but not not with a beard.
- a1371 4y agoLook up proposal L2/20-190. They provide a number of good reasons for pregnant man. To summarize: - It avoids gender stereotyping of men in Parenthood. - couples say "we are pregnant". The term pregnant is culturally used for men too as their search shows. - the emoji is not just for pregnancy, it is also for feeling bloated, full, and hungry. I sometimes used this emoji for saying that I'm expecting something. My partner didn't like it.
- bXVsbGVy 4y agoShe is Creative Director for Android and Google.
- sigzero 4y agoExcept all of those things is NOT what the actual emoji conveys.
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- Haegin 4y agoOoh you are going to be so mad when you find out people use to talk about so something other than the purple vegetable...
- bentobean 4y ago[flagged]
- etrautmann 4y agoThat’s ubiquitous and normal across a range of demographics. Anodyne even
- WirelessGigabit 4y agoThe problem is that the definition of the emoji says Pregnant Man Emoji. So using it for anything other than that defeats accessibility for visually impaired people. Also, 'we are pregnant' is weird, being pregnant is the act of developing offspring within the body.
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- kelseyfrog 4y agoJust like how eggplant and peach emoji are used for representing things other than fruit and vegetables, I'd expect pregnant man to find its own niche in time. It doesn't take a genius to guess that it will be used by a lot of guys who just ate an enormous burrito.
- letsbehonest1 4y agoWhy is it appropriate for you to suggest how guys will use that emoji, but it’d be wrong for me to suggest how girls may learn to use a different emoji? This is not how the guys I know use this emoji, btw.
- kelseyfrog 4y agoWho's saying it's inappropriate? You might want to ask them why. P.S. To get the joke, you have to be familiar with this specific tweet from almost year ago https://twitter.com/jeremyburge/status/1503921387484114944?lang=en https://twitter.com/jeremyburge/status/1503921387484114944?l... I guess you had to be there.
- bentobean 4y agoYou make a compelling argument. I have reconsidered my position and am now on board with the pregnant man emoji.
- bXVsbGVy 4y agoAgreed. But bearded women will likely only be used to bully.
- muzani 4y ago"It is time for the UTC to own up to their mistakes. This whole ordeal has gone on for way too long. I am not asking for much; the solution to this problem is laughably easy. The current gender situation in Unicode is discriminatory, end of discussion. It excludes transgender people by pretending that only women can get pregnant. It excludes non-binary people by treating the third gender option as secondary to male and female, and by neglecting it for virtually all current human- form emoji. It excludes gender non-conforming people by carefully avoiding gendered sequences for characters like BEARDED PERSON." Source: Analysis of Gender Proposals, https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2017/17439-gender-analysis.pdf https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2017/17439-gender-analysis.pdf
- _shantaram 4y ago> it excludes gender-non-conforming people by carefully avoiding gendered sequences for characters like BEARDED PERSON. I don't understand this part. Isn't it a good thing that those emojis lack gendered sequences? Or is it that they should have modifiers to make them appear the way that a person wants to present themselves?
- bentobean 4y ago> “by pretending that only women can get pregnant.” Only women can be impregnated. Stating otherwise does not make it so.
- kelseyfrog 4y agoIt's hilarious that you're using words to convey this argument. Good one
- squokko 4y agoPoe’s Law