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I'm just trying to understand the context of the 'arrests' as the article is paywalled. I'm not making any justifications in either of the cases, not sure why y

I'm just trying to understand the context of the 'arrests' as the article is paywalled. I'm not making any justifications in either of the cases, not sure why you feel the need to downvote a simple question for clarification.

nosianu 4y ago
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- thablackbull 4y ago
  > First, you asked about the US when this article is about China, a very well known tactic, thank you very much. I'm American. I'm much more well versed in American issues and this is the first story that popped into my mind which I can bring up as a parallel. > Second, you really want us to believe China's attempts at getting at its critics is the same as the US trying to get at a terror suspect? As I clarified, as I couldn't read the full article, I am admitting I don't know - it would be great if the article had clarified down the way on what exactly their position is and someone had quoted it. > If you want to criticize the US go ahead in the appropriate thread, there's plenty to criticize. I love American thank you very much.
  - Tams80 4y ago
    You're either rewarded by the CCP in some way, or a useful idiot for them.
    - dang 4y ago
      You can't attack another user like this, regardless of how wrong they are or you feel they are. We ban accounts that do this, so please don't do it again. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it. Note this: "Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, bots, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data." https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0&query=by:dang%20astroturf https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...
- thablackbull 4y ago
  Re-reading my comments, I apologize if I came across as 'whataboutism', that is not what is intended. I just read your first link (CNN) and again, I am still left with the same question. It first states, "...using bilateral security arrangements struck with countries in Europe and Africa to gain a widespread presence internationally..." which seems to suggest the hosts countries are fully (or at minimum somewhat) aware. Then, they go on to say "Safeguard Defenders stumbled on the police networks while trying to assess the scale of China’s efforts to persuade some of its people to return to China..." Fair enough, but what exactly are those people accused of? If they're being accused of fraud or other illegal activities, are those really people we want in our countries.
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > being accused of fraud or other illegal activities, are those really people we want in our countries This is why countries negotiate extradition treaties. China refuses to extradite to the U.S., a matter significant when it comes to the manufacture and trafficking of fentanyl. We also have evidence China accuses political dissidents and the like of crimes they didn’t commit. There is no independent court in China. But there are in America and Italy and London. China is free to furnish evidence of guilt and gain coöperation. They don’t. That’s telling.
    - ashwagary 4y ago
      >We also have evidence China accuses political dissidents and the like of crimes they didn’t commit. There is no independent court in China. Doesnt sound as extreme as what Assange (Australian) is experiencing, adhoc legalized assassination attempts and up to 175 years from a secretive "rubber stamp" court [0]. Main difference being, the Chinese only apply this approach to Chinese people, while the US justifies its application to everyone on the planet. The precedent has been set elsewhere but I hope China acts like a useful mirror to the many that ignore or even support this practice when their local goverment engages in it. The Belmarsh Tribunal [0] - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j_QqpYATupw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j_QqpYATupw
      - 4y ago
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thablackbull 4y ago
> First, you asked about the US when this article is about China, a very well known tactic, thank you very much. I'm American. I'm much more well versed in American issues and this is the first story that popped into my mind which I can bring up as a parallel. > Second, you really want us to believe China's attempts at getting at its critics is the same as the US trying to get at a terror suspect? As I clarified, as I couldn't read the full article, I am admitting I don't know - it would be great if the article had clarified down the way on what exactly their position is and someone had quoted it. > If you want to criticize the US go ahead in the appropriate thread, there's plenty to criticize. I love American thank you very much.
- Tams80 4y ago
  You're either rewarded by the CCP in some way, or a useful idiot for them.
  - dang 4y ago
    You can't attack another user like this, regardless of how wrong they are or you feel they are. We ban accounts that do this, so please don't do it again. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it. Note this: "Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, bots, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data." https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0&query=by:dang%20astroturf https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...
thablackbull 4y ago
Re-reading my comments, I apologize if I came across as 'whataboutism', that is not what is intended. I just read your first link (CNN) and again, I am still left with the same question. It first states, "...using bilateral security arrangements struck with countries in Europe and Africa to gain a widespread presence internationally..." which seems to suggest the hosts countries are fully (or at minimum somewhat) aware. Then, they go on to say "Safeguard Defenders stumbled on the police networks while trying to assess the scale of China’s efforts to persuade some of its people to return to China..." Fair enough, but what exactly are those people accused of? If they're being accused of fraud or other illegal activities, are those really people we want in our countries.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > being accused of fraud or other illegal activities, are those really people we want in our countries This is why countries negotiate extradition treaties. China refuses to extradite to the U.S., a matter significant when it comes to the manufacture and trafficking of fentanyl. We also have evidence China accuses political dissidents and the like of crimes they didn’t commit. There is no independent court in China. But there are in America and Italy and London. China is free to furnish evidence of guilt and gain coöperation. They don’t. That’s telling.
  - ashwagary 4y ago
    >We also have evidence China accuses political dissidents and the like of crimes they didn’t commit. There is no independent court in China. Doesnt sound as extreme as what Assange (Australian) is experiencing, adhoc legalized assassination attempts and up to 175 years from a secretive "rubber stamp" court [0]. Main difference being, the Chinese only apply this approach to Chinese people, while the US justifies its application to everyone on the planet. The precedent has been set elsewhere but I hope China acts like a useful mirror to the many that ignore or even support this practice when their local goverment engages in it. The Belmarsh Tribunal [0] - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j_QqpYATupw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j_QqpYATupw
    - 4y ago
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