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The scientific consensus is that children need more sleep than theyre getting, and that waking up later is healthier. I assume this problem is the same in most

The scientific consensus is that children need more sleep than theyre getting, and that waking up later is healthier. I assume this problem is the same in most parts of the world.

marginalia_nu 4y ago
Can solve that by going to bed earlier too, but I doubt my teenager self would have listened to that.
- jobs_throwaway 4y ago
  Its more than just rebelliousness. Teens' circadian rhythms are naturally shifted towards falling asleep later in the evening and waking up later in the morning.
  - marginalia_nu 4y ago
    The cicadian rhytm doesn't actually know what the clock on your wall says, only when you eat and get daylight. A late cicadian rhytm is functionally equivalent with poor sleep hyhiene.
    - jltsiren 4y ago
      And when other people are active. It seems to be fairly common that night owls need an hour or two of their own time after most other people have gone to sleep, or at least have stopped bothering them.
jenadine 4y ago
Why not going to sleep earlier?
- djcannabiz 4y ago
  in the article: „And around puberty, their circadian clocks shift by a couple of hours, meaning they get tired later at night than before and wake up later in the morning than they used to. This shift reverses at adulthood.“ I agree with you somewhat that there is some personal responsibility required here, but I disagree that the answer here is so simple as going to sleep earlier.
  - juve1996 4y ago
    Did the article cite the source for this and maybe I missed it? It says a lot of things and "countless studies" but curiously doesn't list all of them.
    - djcannabiz 4y ago
      user jobs_throwaway posted a link to a paper on this topic https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK222804/#:~:text=Research%20findings%20suggest%20that%20changes,to%20as%20sleep%20phase%20delay https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK222804/#:~:text=Resear... In the article, they link to this website. https://www.nationwidechildrens.org/specialties/sleep-disorder-center/sleep-in-adolescents https://www.nationwidechildrens.org/specialties/sleep-disord...
  - dobbysfirstsock 4y ago
    >I agree with you somewhat that there is some personal responsibility required here, but I disagree that the answer here is so simple as going to sleep earlier. I think this is where I'm at. I know its entirely possible to sleep earlier with lifestyle changes. I spent a summer at my grandparents with no wifi, tech etc and going outside to play, I was so bored but damn if that wasn't the best sleep I ever had in my life, lol... and early too, never more than 10 PM. I'm just worried if we start later and later, it could keep creeping up until you have no reasonable time left to start later. I suppose experimenting with it couldn't hurt though.
- jobs_throwaway 4y ago
  Because teens have a natural tendency to fall asleep later: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK222804/#:~:text=Research%20findings%20suggest%20that%20changes,to%20as%20sleep%20phase%20delay https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK222804/#:~:text=Resear... Sure, it is possible to have them go to bed earlier, but you're fighting biology
  - jenadine 4y ago
    We are already fighting biology the whole time by waking up early. Why can't we fight biology for a week until the body adjusts?

The scientific consensus is that children need more sleep than theyre getting, and that waking up later is healthier. I assume this problem is the same in most parts of the world.

marginalia_nu 4y ago

Can solve that by going to bed earlier too, but I doubt my teenager self would have listened to that.

jobs_throwaway 4y ago
Its more than just rebelliousness. Teens' circadian rhythms are naturally shifted towards falling asleep later in the evening and waking up later in the morning.
- marginalia_nu 4y ago
  The cicadian rhytm doesn't actually know what the clock on your wall says, only when you eat and get daylight. A late cicadian rhytm is functionally equivalent with poor sleep hyhiene.
  - jltsiren 4y ago
    And when other people are active. It seems to be fairly common that night owls need an hour or two of their own time after most other people have gone to sleep, or at least have stopped bothering them.

jenadine 4y ago

Why not going to sleep earlier?

djcannabiz 4y ago
in the article: „And around puberty, their circadian clocks shift by a couple of hours, meaning they get tired later at night than before and wake up later in the morning than they used to. This shift reverses at adulthood.“ I agree with you somewhat that there is some personal responsibility required here, but I disagree that the answer here is so simple as going to sleep earlier.
- juve1996 4y ago
  Did the article cite the source for this and maybe I missed it? It says a lot of things and "countless studies" but curiously doesn't list all of them.
  - djcannabiz 4y ago
    user jobs_throwaway posted a link to a paper on this topic https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK222804/#:~:text=Research%20findings%20suggest%20that%20changes,to%20as%20sleep%20phase%20delay https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK222804/#:~:text=Resear... In the article, they link to this website. https://www.nationwidechildrens.org/specialties/sleep-disorder-center/sleep-in-adolescents https://www.nationwidechildrens.org/specialties/sleep-disord...
- dobbysfirstsock 4y ago
  >I agree with you somewhat that there is some personal responsibility required here, but I disagree that the answer here is so simple as going to sleep earlier. I think this is where I'm at. I know its entirely possible to sleep earlier with lifestyle changes. I spent a summer at my grandparents with no wifi, tech etc and going outside to play, I was so bored but damn if that wasn't the best sleep I ever had in my life, lol... and early too, never more than 10 PM. I'm just worried if we start later and later, it could keep creeping up until you have no reasonable time left to start later. I suppose experimenting with it couldn't hurt though.
jobs_throwaway 4y ago
Because teens have a natural tendency to fall asleep later: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK222804/#:~:text=Research%20findings%20suggest%20that%20changes,to%20as%20sleep%20phase%20delay https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK222804/#:~:text=Resear... Sure, it is possible to have them go to bed earlier, but you're fighting biology
- jenadine 4y ago
  We are already fighting biology the whole time by waking up early. Why can't we fight biology for a week until the body adjusts?