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This comment section looks ridiculous. If the purpose of propoganda stories is to paint the Russians as untrustworthy to the Western world (hint: that is the p

This comment section looks ridiculous. If the purpose of propoganda stories is to paint the Russians as untrustworthy to the Western world (hint: that is the purpose!) then it is surely effective.

debacle 4y ago
Not sure why you are being downmodded, there's no need for "Russian" to be in the title here. This is a very common trope from alt-right media. If the culprit is ever black, Muslim, or an immigrant, they will absolutely let you know in the headline.
- 5560675260 4y ago
  Doesn't alt right love Russia and especially Putin? How did it get on your "black, Muslim, or an immigrant" shortlist?
  - alphanullmeric 4y ago
    Classic case of enemy of my enemy
  - 0xDEF 4y ago
    Yes, the far-right in North America and Western Europe loves Russia.
- InTheArena 4y ago
  There have been 5 major incidents at the ISS since 2018 that could have led to loss of the station if it were caught later. One of which was only ameliorated by a module running out of fuel. The problem here appears to be that the quality standards of roscosmos is in steep decline. This is why Russia is in the title. Now if you want to draw the linkage between the Ukraine war and regressions to their space program, the evidence is certainly there, but I think this story stands quite well on its own.
bigdict 4y ago
There is no way someone quoting "the usual Russian incompetence" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34764133 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34764133) is asking in good faith…
- sebzim4500 4y ago
  Russia's performance in space in the last few years has been less than impressive. I don't think 'incompetence' is too strong a word, frankly.
braymundo 4y ago
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- vbezhenar 4y ago
  West stoles Russia money and now Russia is untrustworthy. Right. No. You broke your own "private property is holy right" dogma. Russia is not breaking its obligations. It even pays Ukraine for gas transfer right now, an act which many Russian people find weird and questionable.
  - InTheArena 4y ago
    Don’t want to be under sanctions? Don’t invade other countries murder innocents, kill babies. Want to be trusted? Follow the treaties you signed. Don’t want to be accused of breaking g your obligations? Read the UN charter.
    - bigdict 4y ago
      Are you talking about the US?
      - InTheArena 4y ago
        Nope, but keep up trying on the whataboutisms.
        bigdict 4y ago
        There's no power in your posturing when the situation is symmetrical like that :)
        InTheArena 4y ago
        Iraq gassed their own citizens, tried to assassinate a U.S. president, invaded their neighbors, engaged in terrorism (not Al Qaeda). At the time of the gulf war there were regularly trying to shoot down iUS and NATO aircraft in the no-fly zone designed to keep Saddam from killing the Kurds. Iraq was a horrible mistake and tragedy - but no oil was stolen, nor was territory seized. While many people died, there was never any systematic assault on civilian populations - Iraq became a disaster because of an Iraqi civil war. It was a single country. Russia is invading a country whose security they guaranteed. They are raping and murdering people, flattening cities and directly targeting infrastructure that is only for civilian purposes. They are attacking those who are not a threat to them, and never engaged in any of the above causes beli. They are I’m doing so to enlarge their nation and subjugate others. They are threading the same to other nations. They unleashed the largest European war since WWII. So if you see that as symmetric, there is almost nothing we can discuss in an objective way.
bryananderson 4y ago
If Russia does not wish to look untrustworthy to its ISS partners, it should probably look into increasing its quality control: two coolant leaks, a launch failure with crew aboard, a hull leak, a brand-new module that sent the station spinning out of control… it has not been a trust-building past few years for the Russian space program. All of these are concrete incidents, not propaganda, and not things that can be expected to “just happen” in such numbers.

This comment section looks ridiculous. If the purpose of propoganda stories is to paint the Russians as untrustworthy to the Western world (hint: that is the purpose!) then it is surely effective.

debacle 4y ago

Not sure why you are being downmodded, there's no need for "Russian" to be in the title here. This is a very common trope from alt-right media. If the culprit is ever black, Muslim, or an immigrant, they will absolutely let you know in the headline.

5560675260 4y ago
Doesn't alt right love Russia and especially Putin? How did it get on your "black, Muslim, or an immigrant" shortlist?
- alphanullmeric 4y ago
  Classic case of enemy of my enemy
- 0xDEF 4y ago
  Yes, the far-right in North America and Western Europe loves Russia.
InTheArena 4y ago
There have been 5 major incidents at the ISS since 2018 that could have led to loss of the station if it were caught later. One of which was only ameliorated by a module running out of fuel. The problem here appears to be that the quality standards of roscosmos is in steep decline. This is why Russia is in the title. Now if you want to draw the linkage between the Ukraine war and regressions to their space program, the evidence is certainly there, but I think this story stands quite well on its own.

bigdict 4y ago

There is no way someone quoting "the usual Russian incompetence" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34764133 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34764133) is asking in good faith…

sebzim4500 4y ago
Russia's performance in space in the last few years has been less than impressive. I don't think 'incompetence' is too strong a word, frankly.

braymundo 4y ago

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vbezhenar 4y ago
West stoles Russia money and now Russia is untrustworthy. Right. No. You broke your own "private property is holy right" dogma. Russia is not breaking its obligations. It even pays Ukraine for gas transfer right now, an act which many Russian people find weird and questionable.
- InTheArena 4y ago
  Don’t want to be under sanctions? Don’t invade other countries murder innocents, kill babies. Want to be trusted? Follow the treaties you signed. Don’t want to be accused of breaking g your obligations? Read the UN charter.
  - bigdict 4y ago
    Are you talking about the US?
    - InTheArena 4y ago
      Nope, but keep up trying on the whataboutisms.
      - bigdict 4y ago
        There's no power in your posturing when the situation is symmetrical like that :)
        InTheArena 4y ago
        Iraq gassed their own citizens, tried to assassinate a U.S. president, invaded their neighbors, engaged in terrorism (not Al Qaeda). At the time of the gulf war there were regularly trying to shoot down iUS and NATO aircraft in the no-fly zone designed to keep Saddam from killing the Kurds. Iraq was a horrible mistake and tragedy - but no oil was stolen, nor was territory seized. While many people died, there was never any systematic assault on civilian populations - Iraq became a disaster because of an Iraqi civil war. It was a single country. Russia is invading a country whose security they guaranteed. They are raping and murdering people, flattening cities and directly targeting infrastructure that is only for civilian purposes. They are attacking those who are not a threat to them, and never engaged in any of the above causes beli. They are I’m doing so to enlarge their nation and subjugate others. They are threading the same to other nations. They unleashed the largest European war since WWII. So if you see that as symmetric, there is almost nothing we can discuss in an objective way.

bryananderson 4y ago

If Russia does not wish to look untrustworthy to its ISS partners, it should probably look into increasing its quality control: two coolant leaks, a launch failure with crew aboard, a hull leak, a brand-new module that sent the station spinning out of control… it has not been a trust-building past few years for the Russian space program. All of these are concrete incidents, not propaganda, and not things that can be expected to “just happen” in such numbers.