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In these days of civilization which country and which cross-country organizations are _not_ running "special military operations"??

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sorokod 4y ago
"specifically military operation" was the name the Russian Federation used when it was hoping for quick and glorious little war. RF is using it now because it dares not call it what it really is as it has all sorts of unpleasant implication. Are you really asking which countries are at war in Europe at the moment?
- purututu 4y ago
  That wasn't the point of my message.
- gus_massa 4y ago
  > Are you really asking which countries are at war in Europe at the moment? Perhaps it was a worldwide question, not only Europe. Also war has become too formal and require a lot of paperwork, so countries have been using weird names while bombing other countries. I guess the GP didn't care about the exact name.
  - sorokod 4y ago
    Perhaps, but then the question makes no sense when the context is the strengthening of NATO which is against the interests of the RF.
    - purututu 4y ago
      For me it does make tones of sense as I, as a European, have understood that NATO is not a peace bringing organization. They _are_ interested and motivated by war. NATO is not my friend.
      - gus_massa 4y ago
        NATO is a "If you don't want to be invaded by the Soviet Union, hire a friend with nuclear weapons." organization. There are some interesting questions like how much in the entry and annual fee to keep the friendship.
        purututu 4y ago
        you are putting NATO in a very nice light, which to my eyes it doesn't deserve. there are many example for it of breaking international laws, i.e. in Cosovo. it helps breaking down the world in black and white to understand complex matters, but I wouldn't exactly paint the NATO white.
      - sorokod 4y ago
        Finland and Sweden are keen to join Nato. What is their motivation in your opinion?
        purututu 4y ago
        I'd love to know the reason why they want to join! I would assume through some sort of pressure, but I am only guessing now.
        gus_massa 4y ago
        I don't discard pressure because Americans do that all the time. Anyway, for Finland, they lost 9% of their territory in 1940 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War and they may be afraid of other invasion. For Sweden I have no idea. But after playing a Risk-like game with ships for too many years while I was young, I think that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotland is a nice place.
        purututu 4y ago
        Valid reasons! What alternative however could they consider to NATO? So to protect their own interests, Sweden's and Finland's, they need to join a, to my eyes, warmongering organization.

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sorokod 4y ago

"specifically military operation" was the name the Russian Federation used when it was hoping for quick and glorious little war. RF is using it now because it dares not call it what it really is as it has all sorts of unpleasant implication. Are you really asking which countries are at war in Europe at the moment?

purututu 4y ago
That wasn't the point of my message.
gus_massa 4y ago
> Are you really asking which countries are at war in Europe at the moment? Perhaps it was a worldwide question, not only Europe. Also war has become too formal and require a lot of paperwork, so countries have been using weird names while bombing other countries. I guess the GP didn't care about the exact name.
- sorokod 4y ago
  Perhaps, but then the question makes no sense when the context is the strengthening of NATO which is against the interests of the RF.
  - purututu 4y ago
    For me it does make tones of sense as I, as a European, have understood that NATO is not a peace bringing organization. They _are_ interested and motivated by war. NATO is not my friend.
    - gus_massa 4y ago
      NATO is a "If you don't want to be invaded by the Soviet Union, hire a friend with nuclear weapons." organization. There are some interesting questions like how much in the entry and annual fee to keep the friendship.
      - purututu 4y ago
        you are putting NATO in a very nice light, which to my eyes it doesn't deserve. there are many example for it of breaking international laws, i.e. in Cosovo. it helps breaking down the world in black and white to understand complex matters, but I wouldn't exactly paint the NATO white.
    - sorokod 4y ago
      Finland and Sweden are keen to join Nato. What is their motivation in your opinion?
      - purututu 4y ago
        I'd love to know the reason why they want to join! I would assume through some sort of pressure, but I am only guessing now.
        gus_massa 4y ago
        I don't discard pressure because Americans do that all the time. Anyway, for Finland, they lost 9% of their territory in 1940 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War and they may be afraid of other invasion. For Sweden I have no idea. But after playing a Risk-like game with ships for too many years while I was young, I think that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotland is a nice place.
        purututu 4y ago
        Valid reasons! What alternative however could they consider to NATO? So to protect their own interests, Sweden's and Finland's, they need to join a, to my eyes, warmongering organization.