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2017 called and wants your comment back. Samsung is best Android manufacturer in class regarding OS upgrades and security updates, Bixby can be switched off and

2017 called and wants your comment back. Samsung is best Android manufacturer in class regarding OS upgrades and security updates, Bixby can be switched off and actually performs well in tests. Visible bloatware has been reduced significantly and most of the visible apps you can uninstall or deactivate.

tempoponet 4y ago
2023 calling - According to this Ars article from 3 days ago the Galaxy S23 install size is 4x that of stock Android. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/02/the-samsung-galaxy-s23s-bloated-android-build-somehow-uses-60gb-of-storage/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/02/the-samsung-galaxy-s... It's not that comforting just being able to uninstall/disable things after paying ~$1000 for hardware loaded with apps that benefit everyone but the customer.
- jamiek88 4y ago
  SIXTY GIGABYTES? Holy moly that’s crazy. That’s three full 64bit win10 installs! It doesn’t even have the a/b partitions! Which is just as well at 60GB!
  - satvikpendem 4y ago
    That's because the article is wrong, as the sibling comment shows.
- roneythomas6 4y ago
  That's because Ars didn't do proper investigation into how storage is computed. One UI reports storage conversion losses associated with representing 1,024 bytes per KB as 1,000 bytes per KB. For example, a device advertised with 512 GB of storage actually has closer to 476 GB (GiB) of usable space. Likewise, a 128 GB model has approximately 119 GB of storage, with 256 GB yielding 238 GB of space. Basically, higher the storage size, more the inaccuracies and more number of ghost storage will appear in system. It does this because [Android basically computes](https://twitter.com/MishaalRahman/status/1622706823940698114?s=20&t=wkJP0D2paCpJnt0Kzkr-mA https://twitter.com/MishaalRahman/status/1622706823940698114...) all files 'f' and empty size 'e' separately and finds the difference of given total size and (f+e) and assigns that to system. https://twitter.com/Golden_Reviewer/status/1622851534563471360 https://twitter.com/Golden_Reviewer/status/16228515345634713... https://www.notebookcheck.net/One-UI-5-1-bloatware-is-not-consuming-60-GB-storage-on-new-Samsung-Galaxy-S23-Galaxy-S23-Plus-or-Galaxy-S23-Ultra.692149.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/One-UI-5-1-bloatware-is-not-co...
skrowl 4y ago
lol, you can't tell iPhone zealots that their antiquated mocks are out of date. They're still using the same old stuff because they can't handle the fact that iPhone hasn't added a new feature that wasn't present on Android first in 5+ years.
- barbazoo 4y ago
  > they can't handle the fact that iPhone hasn't added a new feature that wasn't present on Android first in 5+ years. What about Emergency SOS? https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/11/emergency-sos-via-satellite-available-today-on-iphone-14-lineup/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/11/emergency-sos-via-sat...
silisili 4y ago
I have an S21 FE, which despite its name is only a year old. Updates are not timely. We often get updates a month behind, sometimes even two. I remember in early Jan we were still on the Nov security patch. Google is faster, and often Oneplus is faster. They are probably 2nd or 3rd for update timeliness. Better than Moto, at least. Bloatware...depends on your definition. I consider their stupid Google app copies of everything bloatware, but maybe not everyone does. Most cannot be uninstalled. Other bloatware...I seem to remember it had FB, LinkedIn, and some Microsoft apps. Last time they also wanted to install TikTok. That said, I was able to disable everything via adb and got it to a state I like, so it is possible. But it would be nice to be able to do so without resorting to adb. I like the phone fine, but my next phone will not be a Samsung.
barbazoo 4y ago
hahaha, fair. My most recent experience definitely was with an older phone, probably from that era.

tempoponet 4y ago

2023 calling - According to this Ars article from 3 days ago the Galaxy S23 install size is 4x that of stock Android. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/02/the-samsung-galaxy-s23s-bloated-android-build-somehow-uses-60gb-of-storage/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/02/the-samsung-galaxy-s... It's not that comforting just being able to uninstall/disable things after paying ~$1000 for hardware loaded with apps that benefit everyone but the customer.

jamiek88 4y ago
SIXTY GIGABYTES? Holy moly that’s crazy. That’s three full 64bit win10 installs! It doesn’t even have the a/b partitions! Which is just as well at 60GB!
- satvikpendem 4y ago
  That's because the article is wrong, as the sibling comment shows.
roneythomas6 4y ago
That's because Ars didn't do proper investigation into how storage is computed. One UI reports storage conversion losses associated with representing 1,024 bytes per KB as 1,000 bytes per KB. For example, a device advertised with 512 GB of storage actually has closer to 476 GB (GiB) of usable space. Likewise, a 128 GB model has approximately 119 GB of storage, with 256 GB yielding 238 GB of space. Basically, higher the storage size, more the inaccuracies and more number of ghost storage will appear in system. It does this because [Android basically computes](https://twitter.com/MishaalRahman/status/1622706823940698114?s=20&t=wkJP0D2paCpJnt0Kzkr-mA https://twitter.com/MishaalRahman/status/1622706823940698114...) all files 'f' and empty size 'e' separately and finds the difference of given total size and (f+e) and assigns that to system. https://twitter.com/Golden_Reviewer/status/1622851534563471360 https://twitter.com/Golden_Reviewer/status/16228515345634713... https://www.notebookcheck.net/One-UI-5-1-bloatware-is-not-consuming-60-GB-storage-on-new-Samsung-Galaxy-S23-Galaxy-S23-Plus-or-Galaxy-S23-Ultra.692149.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/One-UI-5-1-bloatware-is-not-co...

skrowl 4y ago

lol, you can't tell iPhone zealots that their antiquated mocks are out of date. They're still using the same old stuff because they can't handle the fact that iPhone hasn't added a new feature that wasn't present on Android first in 5+ years.

barbazoo 4y ago
> they can't handle the fact that iPhone hasn't added a new feature that wasn't present on Android first in 5+ years. What about Emergency SOS? https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/11/emergency-sos-via-satellite-available-today-on-iphone-14-lineup/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/11/emergency-sos-via-sat...

silisili 4y ago

I have an S21 FE, which despite its name is only a year old. Updates are not timely. We often get updates a month behind, sometimes even two. I remember in early Jan we were still on the Nov security patch. Google is faster, and often Oneplus is faster. They are probably 2nd or 3rd for update timeliness. Better than Moto, at least. Bloatware...depends on your definition. I consider their stupid Google app copies of everything bloatware, but maybe not everyone does. Most cannot be uninstalled. Other bloatware...I seem to remember it had FB, LinkedIn, and some Microsoft apps. Last time they also wanted to install TikTok. That said, I was able to disable everything via adb and got it to a state I like, so it is possible. But it would be nice to be able to do so without resorting to adb. I like the phone fine, but my next phone will not be a Samsung.

barbazoo 4y ago

hahaha, fair. My most recent experience definitely was with an older phone, probably from that era.