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With the Docker enterprise licensing stuff last year, I had to cease use of Docker Desktop at work which has been really annoying. As a non-dev who dabbles and

With the Docker enterprise licensing stuff last year, I had to cease use of Docker Desktop at work which has been really annoying. As a non-dev who dabbles and roles their own tools it means my primary use case of firing up a DB really quickly and easily when needed is gone. I've been eyeing podman but the additional friction scares me off from jumping in. Has anyone else not doing full-time dev found it (or similar) a simple enough replacement?

WirelessGigabit 4y ago
Install Docker in WSL (still free). Install Rancher Desktop. Connect to Docker in WSL. Or if on Linux same as above, but remove the WSL part.
- sebazzz 4y ago
  Problem for developers in the Microsoft stack is that Visual Studio requires Docker Desktop to be installed - unless Rancher is able to fake that.
  - rstuart4133 4y ago
    > Problem for developers in the Microsoft stack is that Visual Studio requires Docker Desktop to be installed I'm not sure what you are referring to here. I run Docker engine in WSL2, and vscode in Windows. It all seems to work seemlessly to me. What am I missing?
    - depereo 4y ago
      Visual Studio is not vscode.
  - WirelessGigabit 4y ago
    How do you interact with Visual Studio and Docker? I'll see what I can come up with.
    - sebazzz 4y ago
      There are two facets to this: - It calls Docker (docker command) to build and run images - Visual Studio has an UI to manage containers and images (not sure what it uses under the hood for this)
      - WirelessGigabit 4y ago
        So by doing what I said I have `docker` in Powershell. To recap, I have the following: Docker (CLI ONLY!!!) on Ubuntu on WSL as described here: https://docs.docker.com/engine/install/ubuntu/ https://docs.docker.com/engine/install/ubuntu/ sudo apt list --installed 2>&1 | grep docker docker-buildx-plugin/kinetic,now 0.10.2-1~ubuntu.22.10~kinetic amd64 [installed,automatic] docker-ce-cli/kinetic,now 5:23.0.0-1~ubuntu.22.10~kinetic amd64 [installed] docker-compose-plugin/kinetic,now 2.15.1-1~ubuntu.22.10~kinetic amd64 [installed,automatic] docker-compose/kinetic,now 1.29.2-2 all [installed] docker-scan-plugin/kinetic,now 0.23.0~ubuntu-kinetic amd64 [installed,automatic] python3-docker/kinetic,now 5.0.3-1 all [installed,automatic] python3-dockerpty/kinetic,now 0.4.1-4 all [installed,automatic] So I'd say start with installing docker-ce-cli Rancher Desktop from here: https://github.com/rancher-sandbox/rancher-desktop/releases https://github.com/rancher-sandbox/rancher-desktop/releases Then in Rancher Desktop you enable WSL integration as shown here: https://imgur.com/a/yKV8S9e https://imgur.com/a/yKV8S9e With this done you should be able to have the docker command in Pwsh I can do docker image ls etc like a full Docker setup!
Darthy 4y ago
I'm using Colima ( https://github.com/abiosoft/colima https://github.com/abiosoft/colima ) and am very happy with it so far. Here's an article about it: How Colima is a good alternative to Docker Desktop ( https://kumojin.com/en/colima-alternative-docker-desktop/ https://kumojin.com/en/colima-alternative-docker-desktop/ ) I'm using Colima together with DDEV ( https://ddev.com https://ddev.com ) to create and run PHP projects (webserver + db) in containers. Clean, very easy to use, and fast.
bayesian_horse 4y ago
have you looked into installing an actual linux distribution on wsl2 and using docker on that?
tpmx 4y ago
> With the Docker enterprise licensing stuff last year (In case someone else also had missed all of that.) Commercial use of Docker Desktop at a company of more than 250 employees OR more than $10 million in annual revenue requires a paid subscription (Pro, Team, or Business) to use Docker Desktop.
mowfask 4y ago
Looks like you can install the Apache-licensed Docker engine + CLI via Chocolatey: https://community.chocolatey.org/packages/docker-engine https://community.chocolatey.org/packages/docker-engine https://community.chocolatey.org/packages/docker-cli https://community.chocolatey.org/packages/docker-cli So it seems the Docker Inc. enterprise licensing is all based on the "Docker Desktop" UI. Can someone confirm this?
taspeotis 4y ago
I am using Podman infrequently on Windows. It works just fine, although I had to go rootful for a few containers. They've seen been updated to not need it. Podman Desktop replaces Docker Desktop. The only "problem" is that the auto-restart policy doesn't apply between reboots. I kinda get why, and it's not a huge problem for me to start the containers I care about via Podman Desktop when I want to use them. In a sense it works better because if I reboot they all stop and are not using resources.
- rhatdan 4y ago
  If you enable the podman-restart service on the linux server, restart on boot should work fine. For rootless containers, you also need to enable linger mode for the rootless user.
prmoustache 4y ago
What can you do with docker desktop that you can't with docker on its own? Besides there are myriads of other docker gui than docker desktop. Even the non official podman desktop gui can connect to a docker daemon.

WirelessGigabit 4y ago

Install Docker in WSL (still free). Install Rancher Desktop. Connect to Docker in WSL. Or if on Linux same as above, but remove the WSL part.

sebazzz 4y ago
Problem for developers in the Microsoft stack is that Visual Studio requires Docker Desktop to be installed - unless Rancher is able to fake that.
- rstuart4133 4y ago
  > Problem for developers in the Microsoft stack is that Visual Studio requires Docker Desktop to be installed I'm not sure what you are referring to here. I run Docker engine in WSL2, and vscode in Windows. It all seems to work seemlessly to me. What am I missing?
  - depereo 4y ago
    Visual Studio is not vscode.
- WirelessGigabit 4y ago
  How do you interact with Visual Studio and Docker? I'll see what I can come up with.
  - sebazzz 4y ago
    There are two facets to this: - It calls Docker (docker command) to build and run images - Visual Studio has an UI to manage containers and images (not sure what it uses under the hood for this)
    - WirelessGigabit 4y ago
      So by doing what I said I have `docker` in Powershell. To recap, I have the following: Docker (CLI ONLY!!!) on Ubuntu on WSL as described here: https://docs.docker.com/engine/install/ubuntu/ https://docs.docker.com/engine/install/ubuntu/ sudo apt list --installed 2>&1 | grep docker docker-buildx-plugin/kinetic,now 0.10.2-1~ubuntu.22.10~kinetic amd64 [installed,automatic] docker-ce-cli/kinetic,now 5:23.0.0-1~ubuntu.22.10~kinetic amd64 [installed] docker-compose-plugin/kinetic,now 2.15.1-1~ubuntu.22.10~kinetic amd64 [installed,automatic] docker-compose/kinetic,now 1.29.2-2 all [installed] docker-scan-plugin/kinetic,now 0.23.0~ubuntu-kinetic amd64 [installed,automatic] python3-docker/kinetic,now 5.0.3-1 all [installed,automatic] python3-dockerpty/kinetic,now 0.4.1-4 all [installed,automatic] So I'd say start with installing docker-ce-cli Rancher Desktop from here: https://github.com/rancher-sandbox/rancher-desktop/releases https://github.com/rancher-sandbox/rancher-desktop/releases Then in Rancher Desktop you enable WSL integration as shown here: https://imgur.com/a/yKV8S9e https://imgur.com/a/yKV8S9e With this done you should be able to have the docker command in Pwsh I can do docker image ls etc like a full Docker setup!

Darthy 4y ago

I'm using Colima ( https://github.com/abiosoft/colima https://github.com/abiosoft/colima ) and am very happy with it so far. Here's an article about it: How Colima is a good alternative to Docker Desktop ( https://kumojin.com/en/colima-alternative-docker-desktop/ https://kumojin.com/en/colima-alternative-docker-desktop/ ) I'm using Colima together with DDEV ( https://ddev.com https://ddev.com ) to create and run PHP projects (webserver + db) in containers. Clean, very easy to use, and fast.

bayesian_horse 4y ago

have you looked into installing an actual linux distribution on wsl2 and using docker on that?

tpmx 4y ago

> With the Docker enterprise licensing stuff last year (In case someone else also had missed all of that.) Commercial use of Docker Desktop at a company of more than 250 employees OR more than $10 million in annual revenue requires a paid subscription (Pro, Team, or Business) to use Docker Desktop.

mowfask 4y ago

Looks like you can install the Apache-licensed Docker engine + CLI via Chocolatey: https://community.chocolatey.org/packages/docker-engine https://community.chocolatey.org/packages/docker-engine https://community.chocolatey.org/packages/docker-cli https://community.chocolatey.org/packages/docker-cli So it seems the Docker Inc. enterprise licensing is all based on the "Docker Desktop" UI. Can someone confirm this?

taspeotis 4y ago

I am using Podman infrequently on Windows. It works just fine, although I had to go rootful for a few containers. They've seen been updated to not need it. Podman Desktop replaces Docker Desktop. The only "problem" is that the auto-restart policy doesn't apply between reboots. I kinda get why, and it's not a huge problem for me to start the containers I care about via Podman Desktop when I want to use them. In a sense it works better because if I reboot they all stop and are not using resources.

rhatdan 4y ago
If you enable the podman-restart service on the linux server, restart on boot should work fine. For rootless containers, you also need to enable linger mode for the rootless user.

prmoustache 4y ago

What can you do with docker desktop that you can't with docker on its own? Besides there are myriads of other docker gui than docker desktop. Even the non official podman desktop gui can connect to a docker daemon.