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To give everyone an idea of how solid the process is: consider that the opposition candidate widely considered most capable of beating the incumbent president w

To give everyone an idea of how solid the process is: consider that the opposition candidate widely considered most capable of beating the incumbent president was recently sentenced to two years in jail and removed from politics on the weakest of pretenses: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Ekrem_%C4%B0mamo%C4%9Flu https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Ekrem_%C4%B0mamo%C4... Here are a few other biased sources offering their subjective judgements: - https://freedomhouse.org/country/turkey/freedom-world/2022 https://freedomhouse.org/country/turkey/freedom-world/2022 - https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/turkeys-local-elections-were-not-free-or-fair/ https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/turkeys-local-elections-wer... - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_fraud_and_violence_during_the_June_2015_Turkish_general_election https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_fraud_and_violence... - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index - https://www.idea.int/democracytracker/report/turkey/december-2022 https://www.idea.int/democracytracker/report/turkey/december... This is not to say that Turkey is full autocracy: the incubent president has a genuinely large amount of support and it's quite possible they would win a free and fair election. However, the upcoming election will not be free and fair as those terms are commonly understood.

remind_me_again 4y ago
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arp242 4y ago
> This is not to say that Turkey is full autocracy: the incubent president has a genuinely large amount of support and it's quite possible they would win a free and fair election. This is kind of skewed though, if people can't go on TV or Twitter and say "Erdogan doesn't know what he's doing and his policies are foolish". This is really the modern autocrat's secret weapon: have reasonably(-ish) fair(-ish) elections, but also rig things in such a way that people only hear one side of the story. It's not a surprise people support Erdogan if they only hear how brilliant he is with tepid criticism at best. Control the narrative → control the vote. Ergodan, Putin, Xi all play by this book. Having a free press and free investigative journalism is critical; without it you don't really have fair elections, even if the actual business of casting and counting ballots is sound and free of fraud.
- toyg 4y ago
  > This is really the modern autocrat's secret weapon Hardly: Mussolini also had some sort of elections. It just happened that parliamentarians who were too much of a nuisance had unfortunate encounters with groups of hard batons, or were required to live on remote islands. In Putin's Russia they fall from balconies.
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arp242 4y ago

> This is not to say that Turkey is full autocracy: the incubent president has a genuinely large amount of support and it's quite possible they would win a free and fair election. This is kind of skewed though, if people can't go on TV or Twitter and say "Erdogan doesn't know what he's doing and his policies are foolish". This is really the modern autocrat's secret weapon: have reasonably(-ish) fair(-ish) elections, but also rig things in such a way that people only hear one side of the story. It's not a surprise people support Erdogan if they only hear how brilliant he is with tepid criticism at best. Control the narrative → control the vote. Ergodan, Putin, Xi all play by this book. Having a free press and free investigative journalism is critical; without it you don't really have fair elections, even if the actual business of casting and counting ballots is sound and free of fraud.

toyg 4y ago
> This is really the modern autocrat's secret weapon Hardly: Mussolini also had some sort of elections. It just happened that parliamentarians who were too much of a nuisance had unfortunate encounters with groups of hard batons, or were required to live on remote islands. In Putin's Russia they fall from balconies.
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