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I think that the most annoying omission from the standard academic paper format is the year of publication.

DiggyJohnson 4y ago
What fields do you see this in? I read a lot of social science-y academic articles for research for a nonfiction book I’m writing, and I would be very frustrated if a date wasn’t included at the front of the article. Though I’m not sure if I’ve been lulled into a fall sense of security by finding the date on the cover sheet of the PDF (prepended by the article’s publisher/distributer, I imagine). In no way am I disagreeing with you, more sharing the fact that I’d be surprised and frustrated to come across this omission. Author and publishing date are arguably more important than the title, in my opinion - which now that I think about it is probably why these are the metadata we use to index citations.
- anyfoo 4y ago
  Computer Science/Math. Here's an almost completely random example, I literally searched for "graph coloring paper" just because that was a subject I could think of top of my head, and found this as first hit: https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~avrim/Papers/coloring_worstcase.pdf https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~avrim/Papers/coloring_worstcase.pdf Yep, no date.
  - bombcar 4y ago
    You deduce a lower bound for the date based on the years of cited publications
    - mwcremer 4y ago
      One wonders how the author got _those_ dates...
    - anyfoo 4y ago
      I mentioned that in a sibling comment. Of course, what I actually do is just a web search for the paper’s title.
  - maxov 4y ago
    In case you do not know, I find Google Scholar to be pretty useful for finding dates and other information about the paper - e.g. in this case https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C14&q=New+Approximation+Algorithms+for+Graph+Coloring&btnG= https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C14&q=New... I work with papers in CS/math and have been able to find dates and metadata like DOI pretty quick. There are complications when there are really multiple versions of a paper, like one in a conference that is only an extended abstract and one in a journal, but you would need to figure out which version you want to read in that situation anyway. I agree it's annoying, but coupled with reference manager software like Zotero it's hardly an issue for me.
    - jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
      Google Scholar is a great tool but I fear its days are numbered. It's already frustrating that they removed the feature hot linking to an article's scholar page if you enter the title in google search.
      - maxov 4y ago
        If Google Scholar is sunset that would be a great loss for the academic community. When was that feature removed? I have felt reasonably confident in Google Scholar so far because it is already 18 or so years old.
  - joppy 4y ago
    That’s a preprint - check the published version https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/176584.176586 https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/176584.176586 which has a date on the front page of the article.
    - anyfoo 4y ago
      That's a good point. Given how many apparent preprints I come across, though, I wish they'd just put a date on the front page, too.
Vt71fcAqt7 4y ago
Agreed. And they know it's important because thier references usually includes the dates of the works cited.
- anyfoo 4y ago
  Yes, absolutely. Even in my example in the sibling comment, when I look at the first citation(s) in that paper with no date, I see: "[Cha82][CAC+81][BCKT89][Ber73]". Great, so I guess I at least know that it must not have been published before 1989... (before I just search for the title on the web, in the hopes of finding a journal it was published in).
killjoywashere 4y ago
Sometimes I read something I'm just like "what the literal fuck could you possibly be talking about?!" Of course the date of publication is a standard part of any journal article. I mean, a lot of them get into the weeds about it: date of submission, date of acceptance, date of early online publication, date of press. Then I went back to this particular PDF and notice that indeed, it doesn't have the date of publication. Then I re-read your sentence. "I think the most annoying omission from the standard academic paper format is the year of publication." is subtly ambiguous. "Sometimes authors omit elements required by the standard academic paper format, and of those omissions, omitting the date of publication is the most annoying."
- anyfoo 4y ago
  To me it feels like more than "sometimes", because I too have wondered the same things, and often searched for titles of papers that I'm reading on the web just to know when it was published. I assume that's because those papers are, well, published, and of course there's a date on the journal itself? Doesn't really work that way nowadays anymore.
Humphrey 4y ago
When you write an academic paper it's up to the journal when it's published - would this play into it?
stevenbedrick 4y ago
This is something of a CS-specific problem, and is in part a side effect of the field's tradition of digital-first author-prepared publication. In basically any other academic field, any paper that is being passed around or linked to will have a header, footer, etc. that has its bibliographic details. And in fact, most/all CS papers _do_ have a "real" version _somewhere_ that has the date and other relevant info, but in CS, we have a bad habit of passing around links to a papers that point to a random version that the author posted somewhere, rather than to an entry in a proper bibliographic database or to the canonical/archival PDF of the paper. I.e., not the PDF that the author posted themselves somewhere (likely missing dates, publication information, revision history, etc.), but the version that came as part of the conference proceedings or journal that the paper was published in. Those typically (though admittedly not always, depending on the conference) have headers/footers added that include whatever would be needed to properly cite the paper. Google Scholar etc. try their best to link to the "right" place, but are often led astray and point at the "random early draft on the author's website" instead, which of course perpetuates the problem. Incidentally, helping avoid this situation is the sort of thing is at least nominally a big part of the "value add" that traditional journal publishers are supposed to be adding- keeping track of citation/bibliographic metadata, assigning and managing DOIs, ensuring that there's a standardized layout and production process that includes such information in PDFs, providing archival/canonical URLs for papers, etc. It's also an important part of what professional societies that have publishing arms (ACM, IEEE) and libraries (like the NLM and its PubMed/MEDLINE services) contribute.

What fields do you see this in? I read a lot of social science-y academic articles for research for a nonfiction book I’m writing, and I would be very frustrated if a date wasn’t included at the front of the article. Though I’m not sure if I’ve been lulled into a fall sense of security by finding the date on the cover sheet of the PDF (prepended by the article’s publisher/distributer, I imagine). In no way am I disagreeing with you, more sharing the fact that I’d be surprised and frustrated to come across this omission. Author and publishing date are arguably more important than the title, in my opinion - which now that I think about it is probably why these are the metadata we use to index citations.

anyfoo 4y ago
Computer Science/Math. Here's an almost completely random example, I literally searched for "graph coloring paper" just because that was a subject I could think of top of my head, and found this as first hit: https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~avrim/Papers/coloring_worstcase.pdf https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~avrim/Papers/coloring_worstcase.pdf Yep, no date.
- bombcar 4y ago
  You deduce a lower bound for the date based on the years of cited publications
  - mwcremer 4y ago
    One wonders how the author got _those_ dates...
  - anyfoo 4y ago
    I mentioned that in a sibling comment. Of course, what I actually do is just a web search for the paper’s title.
- maxov 4y ago
  In case you do not know, I find Google Scholar to be pretty useful for finding dates and other information about the paper - e.g. in this case https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C14&q=New+Approximation+Algorithms+for+Graph+Coloring&btnG= https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C14&q=New... I work with papers in CS/math and have been able to find dates and metadata like DOI pretty quick. There are complications when there are really multiple versions of a paper, like one in a conference that is only an extended abstract and one in a journal, but you would need to figure out which version you want to read in that situation anyway. I agree it's annoying, but coupled with reference manager software like Zotero it's hardly an issue for me.
  - jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
    Google Scholar is a great tool but I fear its days are numbered. It's already frustrating that they removed the feature hot linking to an article's scholar page if you enter the title in google search.
    - maxov 4y ago
      If Google Scholar is sunset that would be a great loss for the academic community. When was that feature removed? I have felt reasonably confident in Google Scholar so far because it is already 18 or so years old.
- joppy 4y ago
  That’s a preprint - check the published version https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/176584.176586 https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/176584.176586 which has a date on the front page of the article.
  - anyfoo 4y ago
    That's a good point. Given how many apparent preprints I come across, though, I wish they'd just put a date on the front page, too.

Vt71fcAqt7 4y ago

Agreed. And they know it's important because thier references usually includes the dates of the works cited.

anyfoo 4y ago
Yes, absolutely. Even in my example in the sibling comment, when I look at the first citation(s) in that paper with no date, I see: "[Cha82][CAC+81][BCKT89][Ber73]". Great, so I guess I at least know that it must not have been published before 1989... (before I just search for the title on the web, in the hopes of finding a journal it was published in).

killjoywashere 4y ago

Sometimes I read something I'm just like "what the literal fuck could you possibly be talking about?!" Of course the date of publication is a standard part of any journal article. I mean, a lot of them get into the weeds about it: date of submission, date of acceptance, date of early online publication, date of press. Then I went back to this particular PDF and notice that indeed, it doesn't have the date of publication. Then I re-read your sentence. "I think the most annoying omission from the standard academic paper format is the year of publication." is subtly ambiguous. "Sometimes authors omit elements required by the standard academic paper format, and of those omissions, omitting the date of publication is the most annoying."

anyfoo 4y ago
To me it feels like more than "sometimes", because I too have wondered the same things, and often searched for titles of papers that I'm reading on the web just to know when it was published. I assume that's because those papers are, well, published, and of course there's a date on the journal itself? Doesn't really work that way nowadays anymore.

Humphrey 4y ago

When you write an academic paper it's up to the journal when it's published - would this play into it?

stevenbedrick 4y ago

This is something of a CS-specific problem, and is in part a side effect of the field's tradition of digital-first author-prepared publication. In basically any other academic field, any paper that is being passed around or linked to will have a header, footer, etc. that has its bibliographic details. And in fact, most/all CS papers _do_ have a "real" version _somewhere_ that has the date and other relevant info, but in CS, we have a bad habit of passing around links to a papers that point to a random version that the author posted somewhere, rather than to an entry in a proper bibliographic database or to the canonical/archival PDF of the paper. I.e., not the PDF that the author posted themselves somewhere (likely missing dates, publication information, revision history, etc.), but the version that came as part of the conference proceedings or journal that the paper was published in. Those typically (though admittedly not always, depending on the conference) have headers/footers added that include whatever would be needed to properly cite the paper. Google Scholar etc. try their best to link to the "right" place, but are often led astray and point at the "random early draft on the author's website" instead, which of course perpetuates the problem. Incidentally, helping avoid this situation is the sort of thing is at least nominally a big part of the "value add" that traditional journal publishers are supposed to be adding- keeping track of citation/bibliographic metadata, assigning and managing DOIs, ensuring that there's a standardized layout and production process that includes such information in PDFs, providing archival/canonical URLs for papers, etc. It's also an important part of what professional societies that have publishing arms (ACM, IEEE) and libraries (like the NLM and its PubMed/MEDLINE services) contribute.