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Because they think of themselves as special snowflakes above criticism. Its absolutely fine if they make fun of "the straights", but the second you point out th

Because they think of themselves as special snowflakes above criticism. Its absolutely fine if they make fun of "the straights", but the second you point out things like the word "gender" being coined by a pedophile called John Money whos human test subjects eventually both committed suicide, or that sending children to drag shows with very obvious sexual elements and undertones is evil, or that chopping off their penises or breasts won't help them and instead creates chronic illnesses and increases depression, you're literally the devil and deserve to be fired from your job, banned from social media, and if they had their way, sent to the mines. We don't "validate" people suffering from schizophrenia by telling them that their trees are indeed talking to them about the little green aliens in their attic, so why "validate" other mental illnesses in similar ways?...

kweingar 4y ago
> Its absolutely fine if they make fun of "the straights", but the second you point out things like… Surely you can see that these are not parallel situations. “Making fun of the straights” is a different thing entirely than telling trans people they’re evil and messed up. > you're literally the devil and deserve to be fired from your job, banned from social media, and if they had their way, sent to the mines. This is a funny complaint, since vast swaths of America have this exact sentiment towards trans people.
- Slighted 4y ago
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a_shovel 4y ago
I'd like to help you understand why some people might get upset at some of the things you're talking about. > but the second you point out things like the word "gender" being coined by a pedophile called John Money whos human test subjects eventually both committed suicide When trans people and trans-friendly people get mad at statements like this, they're usually getting mad at the insinuation that they somehow bear some responsibility for Money's decision to force a boy to live as a gender he didn't identify as and the consequences of that decision, when all of them oppose deciding someone else's gender for them and many of them are suffering the consequences of similar decisions made against them. > or that sending children to drag shows with very obvious sexual elements and undertones is evil I've seen some accusations like this. Every time, the drag show has turned out to be completely G-rated, and they're offended at the lie that they would expose children to sexual acts. In many cases, it was the act of drag itself that was the supposed "sexual element". > or that chopping off their penises or breasts won't help them and instead creates chronic illnesses and increases depression Genital surgery for transgender people has one of the highest satisfaction rates of any surgery of any type. Additionally, lurid phrases like "chopping off their breasts" is often used as an incoherent rebuttal against other, much less invasive treatments, like hormone therapy, puberty blockers, or even social transition, where they are entirely inappropriate and irrelevant to the discussion. > We don't "validate" people suffering from schizophrenia by telling them that their trees are indeed talking to them about the little green aliens in their attic, so why "validate" other mental illnesses in similar ways? We do not "validate" people with schizophrenia like that because it does not improve their happiness or well-being. We do affirm transgender people in their identity because it does improve their happiness and well-being, as shown in multiple studies on the subject.
- xwdv 4y ago
  Please help me understand, if gender doesn’t exist because it’s an abstract concept created by society, is all transgenderism basically just rooted in rebelling against how society has defined genders? Without gender there can’t really be transgenders? If so, this could explain in my mind why they don’t respond well to jokes: they are actively engaged in a war with society that they are trying to win on all fronts. This has been an epiphany.
  - a_shovel 4y ago
    I don't know what you're referring to by "transgenderism". "Being transgender" is when one's gender identity doesn't match the one assigned to them at birth. Some of them do the whole "war against gender" thing; a lot of them just want everyone else to stop making such a big deal out of it and let them take their hormones in peace. I'm in some communities with a lot of trans people in them, and in my experience there's quite a lot of jokes about being transgender that they find funny. I'd have to know what kind of joke you're talking about to make a judgement.
    - xwdv 4y ago
      “Gender identity” isn’t actually real. Biology doesn’t assign you a gender, it just gives you male or female organs. The “gender identity” is how a person with certain organs should behave in society. So to be transgender, may not actually mean you want to physically be the opposite sex, it means you simply want to play a different role than what society says you should be. In essence, to be transgender is to be in opposition to society, not necessarily biology. Therefore, a transgender is nothing more than a rebel, wanting to go against the norms of society, and now I see why people find them so repulsive, and why a transgender cannot take a trans joke told by a straight laced person. It also means anyone can become a transgender in any moment, all you need is to find a desire to be the opposite role, and believe it in your heart to be true. Unlike homosexuality, this can be influenced.
- Slighted 4y ago
  Trans people and trans-friendly people subscribe to his research though, which is the issue. John Money was responsible himself and only himself for what he did. Its obvious that his experimentation was cruel and a complete failure, so with that in mind why use his completely bogus, stupid term "gender" to describe (validate) themselves and human sexuality? >I've seen some accusations like this. Every time, the drag show has turned out to be completely G-rated, and they're offended at the lie that they would expose children to sexual acts. In many cases, it was the act of drag itself that was the supposed "sexual element". >turned out to be completely G-rated Like this one with "It's not gonna lick itself" and men in fishnets running around? https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/dallas-family-friendly-kids-drag-show-mr-misster-protest/287-c7984c66-6141-4690-97b1-ec0b9882b4bb https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/dallas-family-friend... >Genital surgery for transgender people has one of the highest satisfaction rates of any surgery of any type. This so laughably bad and false that you should feel ashamed for having said it. Please go read https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/top/?t=all https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/top/?t=all An Appendectomy is what I'd expect to fall under "surgery with one of the highest satisfaction rates", not a festering "neo-vagina" that requires lifelong dilation and will never function similarly to a real vagina while the rest of the (now malfunctioning) male sexual system is still present. >We do not "validate" people with schizophrenia like that because it does not improve their happiness or well-being. And its the exact same case with trans people. The suicide statistics, r/detrans testimonies, and general trans lifestyle problems are not testaments to "We do affirm transgender people in their identity because it does improve their happiness and well-being". Its obvious that "validating" them is only a minimal, temporary solution, if even that.

kweingar 4y ago

> Its absolutely fine if they make fun of "the straights", but the second you point out things like… Surely you can see that these are not parallel situations. “Making fun of the straights” is a different thing entirely than telling trans people they’re evil and messed up. > you're literally the devil and deserve to be fired from your job, banned from social media, and if they had their way, sent to the mines. This is a funny complaint, since vast swaths of America have this exact sentiment towards trans people.

Slighted 4y ago
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a_shovel 4y ago

I'd like to help you understand why some people might get upset at some of the things you're talking about. > but the second you point out things like the word "gender" being coined by a pedophile called John Money whos human test subjects eventually both committed suicide When trans people and trans-friendly people get mad at statements like this, they're usually getting mad at the insinuation that they somehow bear some responsibility for Money's decision to force a boy to live as a gender he didn't identify as and the consequences of that decision, when all of them oppose deciding someone else's gender for them and many of them are suffering the consequences of similar decisions made against them. > or that sending children to drag shows with very obvious sexual elements and undertones is evil I've seen some accusations like this. Every time, the drag show has turned out to be completely G-rated, and they're offended at the lie that they would expose children to sexual acts. In many cases, it was the act of drag itself that was the supposed "sexual element". > or that chopping off their penises or breasts won't help them and instead creates chronic illnesses and increases depression Genital surgery for transgender people has one of the highest satisfaction rates of any surgery of any type. Additionally, lurid phrases like "chopping off their breasts" is often used as an incoherent rebuttal against other, much less invasive treatments, like hormone therapy, puberty blockers, or even social transition, where they are entirely inappropriate and irrelevant to the discussion. > We don't "validate" people suffering from schizophrenia by telling them that their trees are indeed talking to them about the little green aliens in their attic, so why "validate" other mental illnesses in similar ways? We do not "validate" people with schizophrenia like that because it does not improve their happiness or well-being. We do affirm transgender people in their identity because it does improve their happiness and well-being, as shown in multiple studies on the subject.

xwdv 4y ago
Please help me understand, if gender doesn’t exist because it’s an abstract concept created by society, is all transgenderism basically just rooted in rebelling against how society has defined genders? Without gender there can’t really be transgenders? If so, this could explain in my mind why they don’t respond well to jokes: they are actively engaged in a war with society that they are trying to win on all fronts. This has been an epiphany.
- a_shovel 4y ago
  I don't know what you're referring to by "transgenderism". "Being transgender" is when one's gender identity doesn't match the one assigned to them at birth. Some of them do the whole "war against gender" thing; a lot of them just want everyone else to stop making such a big deal out of it and let them take their hormones in peace. I'm in some communities with a lot of trans people in them, and in my experience there's quite a lot of jokes about being transgender that they find funny. I'd have to know what kind of joke you're talking about to make a judgement.
  - xwdv 4y ago
    “Gender identity” isn’t actually real. Biology doesn’t assign you a gender, it just gives you male or female organs. The “gender identity” is how a person with certain organs should behave in society. So to be transgender, may not actually mean you want to physically be the opposite sex, it means you simply want to play a different role than what society says you should be. In essence, to be transgender is to be in opposition to society, not necessarily biology. Therefore, a transgender is nothing more than a rebel, wanting to go against the norms of society, and now I see why people find them so repulsive, and why a transgender cannot take a trans joke told by a straight laced person. It also means anyone can become a transgender in any moment, all you need is to find a desire to be the opposite role, and believe it in your heart to be true. Unlike homosexuality, this can be influenced.
Slighted 4y ago
Trans people and trans-friendly people subscribe to his research though, which is the issue. John Money was responsible himself and only himself for what he did. Its obvious that his experimentation was cruel and a complete failure, so with that in mind why use his completely bogus, stupid term "gender" to describe (validate) themselves and human sexuality? >I've seen some accusations like this. Every time, the drag show has turned out to be completely G-rated, and they're offended at the lie that they would expose children to sexual acts. In many cases, it was the act of drag itself that was the supposed "sexual element". >turned out to be completely G-rated Like this one with "It's not gonna lick itself" and men in fishnets running around? https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/dallas-family-friendly-kids-drag-show-mr-misster-protest/287-c7984c66-6141-4690-97b1-ec0b9882b4bb https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/dallas-family-friend... >Genital surgery for transgender people has one of the highest satisfaction rates of any surgery of any type. This so laughably bad and false that you should feel ashamed for having said it. Please go read https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/top/?t=all https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/top/?t=all An Appendectomy is what I'd expect to fall under "surgery with one of the highest satisfaction rates", not a festering "neo-vagina" that requires lifelong dilation and will never function similarly to a real vagina while the rest of the (now malfunctioning) male sexual system is still present. >We do not "validate" people with schizophrenia like that because it does not improve their happiness or well-being. And its the exact same case with trans people. The suicide statistics, r/detrans testimonies, and general trans lifestyle problems are not testaments to "We do affirm transgender people in their identity because it does improve their happiness and well-being". Its obvious that "validating" them is only a minimal, temporary solution, if even that.