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Also known as the "F150 Lightning starting at $39,900" phenomenon lol You can't get them below $70k

treeman79 4y ago
It also can’t haul on flat ground without losing half its range. https://electrek.co/2022/05/31/ford-f-150-lightning-loses-range-towing-23-foot-airstream-trailer/ https://electrek.co/2022/05/31/ford-f-150-lightning-loses-ra...
- LinuxBender 4y ago
  And they weigh about 1500 lbs more than the ICE version. This matters if they plan to make bigger versions like F450/550/650. Ranchers already come close to weight limits. Lost range and added weight are a big problem. Maybe some future 3D printed solid state battery will help a little?
  - amalgamated_inc 4y ago
    Yes to all of the above. I like EVs and am kind of a nerd about them, but realistically it doesn't help the adoption of a technology to push it before it's ready. We just don't have the manufacturing capacity for batteries, they're still quite expensive and finicky (try charging your EV in sub-zero temperatures) and heavy (so no gross capacity limited vehicles like F350 and no sports cars). It's just like with wind and solar. Why can't we just be honest about what these are good at, use them appropriately, and let the tech develop and improve organically?
    - treeman79 4y ago
      Because people want power /money and sanity gets in the way. Arguments often boil down to ”vote for me or the world ends” An argument that doesn’t allow for any compromise. Logical or not, honest or not. Sane or not. Science or not. For many it’s all or nothing. So it’s wind and solar and almost nothing else, regardless of consequences. I fully believe if fusion somehow becomes real the green movements will turn against it. Clean cheap and free energy is NOT the goal for them.
      - amalgamated_inc 4y ago
        Yea it kind of seems like everything is Pascal's wager now. My argument is correct because any alternative is eternal hellfire. And even if my argument isn't very convincing, we should still do it because 0.1% chance of eternal hellfire is still eternal hellfire.

It also can’t haul on flat ground without losing half its range. https://electrek.co/2022/05/31/ford-f-150-lightning-loses-range-towing-23-foot-airstream-trailer/ https://electrek.co/2022/05/31/ford-f-150-lightning-loses-ra...

LinuxBender 4y ago
And they weigh about 1500 lbs more than the ICE version. This matters if they plan to make bigger versions like F450/550/650. Ranchers already come close to weight limits. Lost range and added weight are a big problem. Maybe some future 3D printed solid state battery will help a little?
- amalgamated_inc 4y ago
  Yes to all of the above. I like EVs and am kind of a nerd about them, but realistically it doesn't help the adoption of a technology to push it before it's ready. We just don't have the manufacturing capacity for batteries, they're still quite expensive and finicky (try charging your EV in sub-zero temperatures) and heavy (so no gross capacity limited vehicles like F350 and no sports cars). It's just like with wind and solar. Why can't we just be honest about what these are good at, use them appropriately, and let the tech develop and improve organically?
  - treeman79 4y ago
    Because people want power /money and sanity gets in the way. Arguments often boil down to ”vote for me or the world ends” An argument that doesn’t allow for any compromise. Logical or not, honest or not. Sane or not. Science or not. For many it’s all or nothing. So it’s wind and solar and almost nothing else, regardless of consequences. I fully believe if fusion somehow becomes real the green movements will turn against it. Clean cheap and free energy is NOT the goal for them.
    - amalgamated_inc 4y ago
      Yea it kind of seems like everything is Pascal's wager now. My argument is correct because any alternative is eternal hellfire. And even if my argument isn't very convincing, we should still do it because 0.1% chance of eternal hellfire is still eternal hellfire.