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Because it makes it more official, that this war is not simply Ukraine vs Russia, but rather NATO vs Russia. NATO has been funding the war from the Ukrainian si

Because it makes it more official, that this war is not simply Ukraine vs Russia, but rather NATO vs Russia. NATO has been funding the war from the Ukrainian side. Soon, it will expand to include China, because China cannot allow Russia to be defeated, because they would be next. This actually means that there is absolutely zero chance for peace.

dragontamer 4y ago
What was Russia's reason for attacking Ukraine and starting this whole mess? Last time I checked, Russia still hasn't officially declared war on Ukraine, or given a reason yet. Despite the large scale conscription of soldiers, Russia seems to still call this a special military operation, rather than a proper war. The USA / NATO side is defensive purpose. Ukraine certainly deserves a right to exist and fight for itself. This war would end tomorrow if Putin ordered his troops back into Russia. --------- Why were Russian soldiers attacking Kyiv in February 2022?
- ihatepython 4y ago
  This war/conflict actually began back in 2014, after Yanukovich was overthrown. The simple solution is to honor the Minsk Agreement and allow the Donbas to vote on whether or not they want to join Russia. Merkel has stated that there was never any intention to allow the Donbas to vote. The purpose was to buy time to build up Ukraine's army. So the negotiation was in bad faith. It is false that this war would end tomorrow if Putin ordered his troops back into Russia. Again the simple solution is to honor the Minsk Agreement.
  - dragontamer 4y ago
    > The simple solution is to honor the Minsk Agreement and allow the Donbas to vote on whether or not they want to join Russia Why did Russia invade, kill, and kidnap citizens before such a vote? Its pretty obvious that what Russia is doing here is simple colonialism and imperialism. Russia wants Ukraine. It started by gobbling up Crimea, and moved on to to take Donbas and other such territories. Last year, I've had plenty of Russian sympathizers tell me how peace-loving you all are, especially with your "Slavic Brothers". And it was all proven false upon the brutal attack on Kyiv on Feburary 2022. ------- > It is false that this war would end tomorrow if Putin ordered his troops back into Russia. The hostilities of Feb 2022 through today started when Putin crossed into Ukraine. It will end when Putin retreats his army back into Russia. ----- > Again the simple solution is to honor the Minsk Agreement. And the first step to that agreement was a ceasefire. And that ceasefire was utterly demolished when Russia attacked Kyiv. Putin DESTROYED that agreement with the Feb. 2022 attack. You realize that? The conditions of ceasefire will never again return, not until the Russian army is out of Ukraine.
    - ihatepython 4y ago
      Do you believe that Pearl Harbor was an unprovoked attack?
  - testrun 4y ago
    In 1994 Russia signed the Budapest agreement where it guaranteed the independence of Ukraine. Ukraine had to transfer all it's nukes to Russia to honour it's side of the agreement. Which it did. Ukraine's borders included Donbas and Crimea. Why did Russia reneged on that agreement? Talking about the Donbas, why has the Donbas right to sovereignty, but not Chechnia?
    - ihatepython 4y ago
      At the Munich Security Conference, Kamala Harris said that Ukraine should join NATO. That violates the Budapest agreement. A few days later, Putin invades Ukraine. Back in 2014, after Yanukovich was overthrown, the US installed an unelected government in Ukraine, which immediately began attacking the Donbas region.
      - dragontamer 4y ago
        We literally have the satellite footage of Russians building up on the border in December 2021. It's the internet today. Public companies have easy to use satellites. The invasion plans were already in place long before that statement. ---- I know this because when I saw those troop movements published, I started to buy oil stock. I've made a profit from my prediction. I knew Russia was not to be trusted and that a war could break out. > which immediately began attacking the Donbas region. Donbas was, and is, owned by Ukraine. But nevermind that. The other poster already has the answer for you. > Talking about the Donbas, why has the Donbas right to sovereignty, but not Chechnia?
        ihatepython 4y ago
        The Ukrainian government may be the most corrupt government in the world. The Ukrainian nazis were far worse than the German nazis in WWII, and they were never held accountable for their actions. Hunter Biden's laptop has been covered up. I have no desire for WWIII, but it is clear that is where we are headed. NATO has no desire to seek a peaceful resolution. They want war. Ukrainians are consumed by their hatred of Russians, and most likely they will end up destroying themselves. Nothing the Ukrainians say has any basis in logic, they are consumed by hatred. It is like that episode of Seinfeld, Newman and Kramer are playing Risk, and Newman says 'I am not defeated yet, I still have armies in the Ukraine'
- callmetom 4y ago
  You know that the RAND Corporation published the blueprint for this in 2019 - titled "Extending Russia", right? 8 of the first 10 measures have been implemented (items such as "Exploit tensions in the South Caucasus"). So the more sensible question is: why is the US doing this, and why would Russia just idly wait for the "Provide lethal aid to Ukraine" measure to be fully executed? Short answer: the US is more interested in destroying the German economy than Russia's, and starting a protracted war with Russia through a Ukrainian proxy is how that is being done. It is amazing how happily the EU wrecked its economic prospects for at least two generations, to the exclusive benefit of US industry. Russia's actions here are totally rational, not only that but they provided ample warning for years about NATO expansion into Ukraine being an actual red line (as opposed to a lot of the red lines declared by the WH).
  - testrun 4y ago
    So Russia invaded Ukraine on the orders of the US?
    - catmiral 4y ago
      [flagged]
    - callmetom 4y ago
      You are mixing up who is the factotum here - Ukraine is the one taking marching orders. Also, the other silly things your mother said to you when you and your sibling fought don't apply in real adult life. There does exist the legal concept of "menacing" and it does justify an overmatched demolishing.

dragontamer 4y ago

What was Russia's reason for attacking Ukraine and starting this whole mess? Last time I checked, Russia still hasn't officially declared war on Ukraine, or given a reason yet. Despite the large scale conscription of soldiers, Russia seems to still call this a special military operation, rather than a proper war. The USA / NATO side is defensive purpose. Ukraine certainly deserves a right to exist and fight for itself. This war would end tomorrow if Putin ordered his troops back into Russia. --------- Why were Russian soldiers attacking Kyiv in February 2022?

ihatepython 4y ago
This war/conflict actually began back in 2014, after Yanukovich was overthrown. The simple solution is to honor the Minsk Agreement and allow the Donbas to vote on whether or not they want to join Russia. Merkel has stated that there was never any intention to allow the Donbas to vote. The purpose was to buy time to build up Ukraine's army. So the negotiation was in bad faith. It is false that this war would end tomorrow if Putin ordered his troops back into Russia. Again the simple solution is to honor the Minsk Agreement.
- dragontamer 4y ago
  > The simple solution is to honor the Minsk Agreement and allow the Donbas to vote on whether or not they want to join Russia Why did Russia invade, kill, and kidnap citizens before such a vote? Its pretty obvious that what Russia is doing here is simple colonialism and imperialism. Russia wants Ukraine. It started by gobbling up Crimea, and moved on to to take Donbas and other such territories. Last year, I've had plenty of Russian sympathizers tell me how peace-loving you all are, especially with your "Slavic Brothers". And it was all proven false upon the brutal attack on Kyiv on Feburary 2022. ------- > It is false that this war would end tomorrow if Putin ordered his troops back into Russia. The hostilities of Feb 2022 through today started when Putin crossed into Ukraine. It will end when Putin retreats his army back into Russia. ----- > Again the simple solution is to honor the Minsk Agreement. And the first step to that agreement was a ceasefire. And that ceasefire was utterly demolished when Russia attacked Kyiv. Putin DESTROYED that agreement with the Feb. 2022 attack. You realize that? The conditions of ceasefire will never again return, not until the Russian army is out of Ukraine.
  - ihatepython 4y ago
    Do you believe that Pearl Harbor was an unprovoked attack?
- testrun 4y ago
  In 1994 Russia signed the Budapest agreement where it guaranteed the independence of Ukraine. Ukraine had to transfer all it's nukes to Russia to honour it's side of the agreement. Which it did. Ukraine's borders included Donbas and Crimea. Why did Russia reneged on that agreement? Talking about the Donbas, why has the Donbas right to sovereignty, but not Chechnia?
  - ihatepython 4y ago
    At the Munich Security Conference, Kamala Harris said that Ukraine should join NATO. That violates the Budapest agreement. A few days later, Putin invades Ukraine. Back in 2014, after Yanukovich was overthrown, the US installed an unelected government in Ukraine, which immediately began attacking the Donbas region.
    - dragontamer 4y ago
      We literally have the satellite footage of Russians building up on the border in December 2021. It's the internet today. Public companies have easy to use satellites. The invasion plans were already in place long before that statement. ---- I know this because when I saw those troop movements published, I started to buy oil stock. I've made a profit from my prediction. I knew Russia was not to be trusted and that a war could break out. > which immediately began attacking the Donbas region. Donbas was, and is, owned by Ukraine. But nevermind that. The other poster already has the answer for you. > Talking about the Donbas, why has the Donbas right to sovereignty, but not Chechnia?
      - ihatepython 4y ago
        The Ukrainian government may be the most corrupt government in the world. The Ukrainian nazis were far worse than the German nazis in WWII, and they were never held accountable for their actions. Hunter Biden's laptop has been covered up. I have no desire for WWIII, but it is clear that is where we are headed. NATO has no desire to seek a peaceful resolution. They want war. Ukrainians are consumed by their hatred of Russians, and most likely they will end up destroying themselves. Nothing the Ukrainians say has any basis in logic, they are consumed by hatred. It is like that episode of Seinfeld, Newman and Kramer are playing Risk, and Newman says 'I am not defeated yet, I still have armies in the Ukraine'
callmetom 4y ago
You know that the RAND Corporation published the blueprint for this in 2019 - titled "Extending Russia", right? 8 of the first 10 measures have been implemented (items such as "Exploit tensions in the South Caucasus"). So the more sensible question is: why is the US doing this, and why would Russia just idly wait for the "Provide lethal aid to Ukraine" measure to be fully executed? Short answer: the US is more interested in destroying the German economy than Russia's, and starting a protracted war with Russia through a Ukrainian proxy is how that is being done. It is amazing how happily the EU wrecked its economic prospects for at least two generations, to the exclusive benefit of US industry. Russia's actions here are totally rational, not only that but they provided ample warning for years about NATO expansion into Ukraine being an actual red line (as opposed to a lot of the red lines declared by the WH).
- testrun 4y ago
  So Russia invaded Ukraine on the orders of the US?
  - catmiral 4y ago
    [flagged]
  - callmetom 4y ago
    You are mixing up who is the factotum here - Ukraine is the one taking marching orders. Also, the other silly things your mother said to you when you and your sibling fought don't apply in real adult life. There does exist the legal concept of "menacing" and it does justify an overmatched demolishing.