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Lol I've gotten so many down votes. I disagree, and I wish people would leave room for discussion instead of being so quick to plaster me with down-vote bullets

by meanJim 15y ago

Lol I've gotten so many down votes. I disagree, and I wish people would leave room for discussion instead of being so quick to plaster me with down-vote bullets for what I think. Piracy in my opinion is rampant. For example: You can go on the pirate bay and pirate the adobe cs suite, microsoft office, your favorite albums, your favorite movies, with ease. You are (if you forgot) supposed to pay for these things. And this level of access is available to everyone with an internet connection. I'm not talking about "profits", we all know big media makes enough money to stay afloat & some. But you can't make the assumption that everything is a lie. I hate it when people go to extremes, and I admit that my claim may be assumption you don't agree with. :/

Karunamon 15y ago
>I disagree, and I wish people would leave room for discussion Discussion about what? You're "disagreeing" with things that are absolutely established and verified fact. Hell, they admit it! Here's two articles from a half a second spent googling. I'm not making this stuff up! http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2008/01/oops-mpaa-admits-college-piracy-numbers-grossly-inflated.ars http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2008/01/oops-mpaa-ad... http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111003/12283916184/former-anti-piracy-investigator-explains-how-he-fed-police-cases-inflated-piracy-stats.shtml http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111003/12283916184/former... I absolutely can (and do) make the assumption that everything an *AA group says is a lie, because 1) They've done it multiple times in the past, and 2) they don't care about anything but their own interests. And as far as "with ease" - you're forgetting that torrenting is still a fairly involved operation. It's accessible to anyone with an internet connection in the same way that programming is accessible to anyone with a computer. It's not just click a link and download. It's more like: 1) Download and install a torrent client 2) Configure their firewall to allow the connections through 3) Browse a tracker site and select a file 4) Download it 5) Apply whatever cracks are necessary to bypass the copy protection 6) Do all of the above without infecting yourself with some form of malware. Furthermore, there are at least two studies (and many more industry success stories) that suggest that people prefer the legal option when it's presented to them reasonably. Reasonable meaning, a fair price (and don't give me any of that "free market" BS either, fair meaning non-insulting), no anti-consumer crap (because DRM inconveniences nobody but paying consumers.. bought a DVD recently?), and no draconian license terms (there is absolutely no good reason that I can't legally rip my DVD's to my computer for my own fair use) There is no room for discussion or nuance on this matter. The RIAA/MPAA are a threat to freedom, culture and as a result, society at large. They've shown their willingness to lie to pass absurdly horribly legislation - why should anything they ever say be trusted again?
- meanJim 15y ago
  1) Okay, thanks for the half second. "Oops: MPAA admits college piracy numbers grossly inflated." "Former 'Anti-Piracy Investigator' Explains How He Fed Police Cases, Inflated 'Piracy' Stats." I understand where you are coming from. If you could open my eyes to a source that can validate how much piracy occurs.. in relation to every user on the internet and how much income corporations would've made per download then I think I would be much more enlightened. 2) I skip a couple of steps. Torrenting for almost all of my consumer friends (for a lack of a better name grouping) is easy, they turn on their macs, download torrent software and go to a popular or trusted torrent site. The process was < 5 minutes. I consider that easier ( sorry again if this assumption isn't agreeable ) than setting up a Facebook account ( and filling out your profile ), something 500 million people have done. Step 6? Thats not a requirement to pirate copyrighted material... Step 5? Movies don't need cracks.. 3) What I agree with. - I agree with the RIAA/MPAA and their recent (and old) actions being a threat to freedom on the internet. I am very much against SOPA/Protect-IP. - "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me." Right? 4) Since we're numbering things. - It would've been nice of you to send me the two studies that show people prefer the legal options over the illegal options when things are presented to them reasonably, I would've liked to look at what products ( Are you referencing Louis C.K.? that was very cool. ) - I don't like the idea of "Oh because the people trying to enforce copyright law have been bullshting us we should just abandon all copyright law all together because FCK you". It is important to protect your assets, its even more important to do it the right way. - The RIAA/MPAA go about it in a terrible away. - But I'm really against Piracy man ( cause I pay for it all, I know its hard to make good software & games, so I respect the process and the blood sweat and tears that went into it ). I think it's a big deal. And maybe thats probably where I get in a crossfire with you Y Combinator guys. - I don't think the piratebay is a good thing so when they are forced to block the piratebay I'm cool with it. And I don't think you should be able to get Iron Man for free regardless of what circumstance or what excuse you come up with. so shoot me (or continue with the downvotes). Cheers

by meanJim 15y ago

Karunamon 15y ago

>I disagree, and I wish people would leave room for discussion Discussion about what? You're "disagreeing" with things that are absolutely established and verified fact. Hell, they admit it! Here's two articles from a half a second spent googling. I'm not making this stuff up! http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2008/01/oops-mpaa-admits-college-piracy-numbers-grossly-inflated.ars http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2008/01/oops-mpaa-ad... http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111003/12283916184/former-anti-piracy-investigator-explains-how-he-fed-police-cases-inflated-piracy-stats.shtml http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111003/12283916184/former... I absolutely can (and do) make the assumption that everything an *AA group says is a lie, because 1) They've done it multiple times in the past, and 2) they don't care about anything but their own interests. And as far as "with ease" - you're forgetting that torrenting is still a fairly involved operation. It's accessible to anyone with an internet connection in the same way that programming is accessible to anyone with a computer. It's not just click a link and download. It's more like: 1) Download and install a torrent client 2) Configure their firewall to allow the connections through 3) Browse a tracker site and select a file 4) Download it 5) Apply whatever cracks are necessary to bypass the copy protection 6) Do all of the above without infecting yourself with some form of malware. Furthermore, there are at least two studies (and many more industry success stories) that suggest that people prefer the legal option when it's presented to them reasonably. Reasonable meaning, a fair price (and don't give me any of that "free market" BS either, fair meaning non-insulting), no anti-consumer crap (because DRM inconveniences nobody but paying consumers.. bought a DVD recently?), and no draconian license terms (there is absolutely no good reason that I can't legally rip my DVD's to my computer for my own fair use) There is no room for discussion or nuance on this matter. The RIAA/MPAA are a threat to freedom, culture and as a result, society at large. They've shown their willingness to lie to pass absurdly horribly legislation - why should anything they ever say be trusted again?

meanJim 15y ago
1) Okay, thanks for the half second. "Oops: MPAA admits college piracy numbers grossly inflated." "Former 'Anti-Piracy Investigator' Explains How He Fed Police Cases, Inflated 'Piracy' Stats." I understand where you are coming from. If you could open my eyes to a source that can validate how much piracy occurs.. in relation to every user on the internet and how much income corporations would've made per download then I think I would be much more enlightened. 2) I skip a couple of steps. Torrenting for almost all of my consumer friends (for a lack of a better name grouping) is easy, they turn on their macs, download torrent software and go to a popular or trusted torrent site. The process was < 5 minutes. I consider that easier ( sorry again if this assumption isn't agreeable ) than setting up a Facebook account ( and filling out your profile ), something 500 million people have done. Step 6? Thats not a requirement to pirate copyrighted material... Step 5? Movies don't need cracks.. 3) What I agree with. - I agree with the RIAA/MPAA and their recent (and old) actions being a threat to freedom on the internet. I am very much against SOPA/Protect-IP. - "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me." Right? 4) Since we're numbering things. - It would've been nice of you to send me the two studies that show people prefer the legal options over the illegal options when things are presented to them reasonably, I would've liked to look at what products ( Are you referencing Louis C.K.? that was very cool. ) - I don't like the idea of "Oh because the people trying to enforce copyright law have been bullshting us we should just abandon all copyright law all together because FCK you". It is important to protect your assets, its even more important to do it the right way. - The RIAA/MPAA go about it in a terrible away. - But I'm really against Piracy man ( cause I pay for it all, I know its hard to make good software & games, so I respect the process and the blood sweat and tears that went into it ). I think it's a big deal. And maybe thats probably where I get in a crossfire with you Y Combinator guys. - I don't think the piratebay is a good thing so when they are forced to block the piratebay I'm cool with it. And I don't think you should be able to get Iron Man for free regardless of what circumstance or what excuse you come up with. so shoot me (or continue with the downvotes). Cheers