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Italy does the same: https://github.com/pagopa/io-app https://github.com/pagopa/io-app This is the official government app (you can get benefits, pay taxes, et

Italy does the same: https://github.com/pagopa/io-app https://github.com/pagopa/io-app This is the official government app (you can get benefits, pay taxes, etc...), downloaded by 30+ million citizens, stack is React Native + Typescript

gorbypark 4y ago
Wow, looks pretty nice from the screenshots. Do you have experience using it? Does it work well/do what it claims? I recently moved to Spain, who has a digital identity system, but is a pretty disjointed attempt.
- cloudify 4y ago
  Yes, the project started in February 2017, so it's been a while and the app is very mature and frequently used by many citizens (full disclaimer, I was leading the development of the app and the backend from the beginning until almost two years ago).
  - brnt 4y ago
    Do you know why no other, more open, two factors are being introduced in DigiD auth? I'd rather use my U2F fobs, like I can almost everywhere else. Some people like TOTP.
- PestoDiRucola 4y ago
  Yeah it works pretty well. Italy also has a digital identity system called SPID which can be used to log in for all governmental services which also works pretty well.
- mdrzn 4y ago
  It's a great app, doesn't do "much" except sending some government news from time to time. It was used a lot during Covid because it showed your negative QR code.
  - cloudify 4y ago
    Well, apart from sending highly targeted updates to citizens, it is also used for: 1. receiving payment request for car tickets that you can pay right away with the credit card you saved in the app 2. receiving pending tax payments for local and national taxes that, again you can pay right away in the app 3. it was used for the national cashback program as a mean to enroll citizens, register the payment cards that could be used to accumulate points, setup banking details to get the prizes, etc... 4. distribute several government incentives (e.g. holiday bonus, bonus for young citizens, etc...) After I left the project, the team was working on implementing a full digital signature solution that could be used to sign official requests to the public administration and they were also working on supporting legally valid communications from the government (vs just informational).
    - ff_ 4y ago
      How is the working environment in PA tech? Would you recommend working there?
college_physics 4y ago
maybe EU countries could save a bundle and co-develop these apps. might also improve quality / ensure best practises are available to all etc.
- bojan 4y ago
  The tax systems are national responsibility, and building a bespoke app for a given tax system is cheaper than supporting 27 widely different tax systems in a single app.
- simne 4y ago
  This is not for co-develop. This is mainly report, of what government done. For some extent it could be used to check safety of software/infrastructure. For example, in Ukraine used closed source software, and only war (because censorship), slightly slowed stream of scandal publications about bugs and vulnerabilities.
- rb666 4y ago
  Stealthy dig at the European military acquisition strategy :)
- reacharavindh 4y ago
  This is the baffling side of the EU to all outsiders/newcomers. When I first moved here, that was my first thought as well. There is just so much in common, why repeat everything everywhere instead of single effort with branches everywhere?! (police force, consular services, Identity services, and pretty much any Government paperwork one can think of, transportation services etc). However, the population is very localised and divided. The French do it their way, Italians another way, the Germans on their own way etc. It is hard to find gain common ground beyond what EU already represents(which is very good IMO). I do wish doing things at EU level becomes the norm, and individualities slowly disappear. Imagine a single European rail service (not Euro rail where you can buy a single ticket that will make you take Dutch train, and then connect on a German train, and then on an Austrian train, and if you miss a connection, good luck figuring out your replacement..)
  - 4y ago

gorbypark 4y ago

Wow, looks pretty nice from the screenshots. Do you have experience using it? Does it work well/do what it claims? I recently moved to Spain, who has a digital identity system, but is a pretty disjointed attempt.

cloudify 4y ago
Yes, the project started in February 2017, so it's been a while and the app is very mature and frequently used by many citizens (full disclaimer, I was leading the development of the app and the backend from the beginning until almost two years ago).
- brnt 4y ago
  Do you know why no other, more open, two factors are being introduced in DigiD auth? I'd rather use my U2F fobs, like I can almost everywhere else. Some people like TOTP.
PestoDiRucola 4y ago
Yeah it works pretty well. Italy also has a digital identity system called SPID which can be used to log in for all governmental services which also works pretty well.
mdrzn 4y ago
It's a great app, doesn't do "much" except sending some government news from time to time. It was used a lot during Covid because it showed your negative QR code.
- cloudify 4y ago
  Well, apart from sending highly targeted updates to citizens, it is also used for: 1. receiving payment request for car tickets that you can pay right away with the credit card you saved in the app 2. receiving pending tax payments for local and national taxes that, again you can pay right away in the app 3. it was used for the national cashback program as a mean to enroll citizens, register the payment cards that could be used to accumulate points, setup banking details to get the prizes, etc... 4. distribute several government incentives (e.g. holiday bonus, bonus for young citizens, etc...) After I left the project, the team was working on implementing a full digital signature solution that could be used to sign official requests to the public administration and they were also working on supporting legally valid communications from the government (vs just informational).
  - ff_ 4y ago
    How is the working environment in PA tech? Would you recommend working there?

college_physics 4y ago

maybe EU countries could save a bundle and co-develop these apps. might also improve quality / ensure best practises are available to all etc.

bojan 4y ago
The tax systems are national responsibility, and building a bespoke app for a given tax system is cheaper than supporting 27 widely different tax systems in a single app.
simne 4y ago
This is not for co-develop. This is mainly report, of what government done. For some extent it could be used to check safety of software/infrastructure. For example, in Ukraine used closed source software, and only war (because censorship), slightly slowed stream of scandal publications about bugs and vulnerabilities.
rb666 4y ago
Stealthy dig at the European military acquisition strategy :)
reacharavindh 4y ago
This is the baffling side of the EU to all outsiders/newcomers. When I first moved here, that was my first thought as well. There is just so much in common, why repeat everything everywhere instead of single effort with branches everywhere?! (police force, consular services, Identity services, and pretty much any Government paperwork one can think of, transportation services etc). However, the population is very localised and divided. The French do it their way, Italians another way, the Germans on their own way etc. It is hard to find gain common ground beyond what EU already represents(which is very good IMO). I do wish doing things at EU level becomes the norm, and individualities slowly disappear. Imagine a single European rail service (not Euro rail where you can buy a single ticket that will make you take Dutch train, and then connect on a German train, and then on an Austrian train, and if you miss a connection, good luck figuring out your replacement..)
- 4y ago