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You're accusing one of the foundations of modern AI with either being a fraud, or incompetent. At best that seems short sighted, no?

nayroclade 4y ago
You're obviously new to Hacker News :-D
- chamwislothe2nd 4y ago
  Unfortunately, I've been here for a decade in one form or another. Every now and then someone writes something so pompous that I just can't help myself but post. Back to lurking now. Cheers!
  - PartiallyTyped 4y ago
    If we can't publicly scrutinize people who have great sway in the industry, what does that say about us as a research community? The fact that I argued why I found it bogus based on well established principles, and I get shitted on by people who by all means have provided nothing to this conversation and except suppressing criticism or throwing ad-hominems should tell all about the quality of discourse. Dismissing criticism, not by arguments, but by the mere name of the person does a disservice to everyone. If the research can't stand on its own, independent of the author, then it is not good research.
    - chamwislothe2nd 4y ago
      We are all looking forward to your research paper that disproves his claims. Or you know, any proof.
      - PartiallyTyped 4y ago
        I argued for it and all I got was downvoted without criticism of the substance of my arguments, only ad-hominems and fallacies. If you can point to _fundamental_ criticism of my arguments, and not fallacies or attacks, I'd be more than happy to discuss them.
        chamwislothe2nd 4y ago
        The hard dismissal with 'No' is likely why you got down voted. I am not able to do that. With that kind of tonal promise, especially considering the source you are dismissing outright is important in their field, you have to show, not just tell. If you just left that No out, and gave room for the chance that you are wrong, people wouldn't downvote, they'd upvote. People like to hear smart arguments. No one wants to hear outward dismissal. Especially of known experts.
PartiallyTyped 4y ago
I am neither the first, nor the last who believe that the Laureates have not done their due diligence properly with respect to citing sources. I could name many other people who have actually been more influential in the field.

nayroclade 4y ago

You're obviously new to Hacker News :-D

chamwislothe2nd 4y ago
Unfortunately, I've been here for a decade in one form or another. Every now and then someone writes something so pompous that I just can't help myself but post. Back to lurking now. Cheers!
- PartiallyTyped 4y ago
  If we can't publicly scrutinize people who have great sway in the industry, what does that say about us as a research community? The fact that I argued why I found it bogus based on well established principles, and I get shitted on by people who by all means have provided nothing to this conversation and except suppressing criticism or throwing ad-hominems should tell all about the quality of discourse. Dismissing criticism, not by arguments, but by the mere name of the person does a disservice to everyone. If the research can't stand on its own, independent of the author, then it is not good research.
  - chamwislothe2nd 4y ago
    We are all looking forward to your research paper that disproves his claims. Or you know, any proof.
    - PartiallyTyped 4y ago
      I argued for it and all I got was downvoted without criticism of the substance of my arguments, only ad-hominems and fallacies. If you can point to _fundamental_ criticism of my arguments, and not fallacies or attacks, I'd be more than happy to discuss them.
      - chamwislothe2nd 4y ago
        The hard dismissal with 'No' is likely why you got down voted. I am not able to do that. With that kind of tonal promise, especially considering the source you are dismissing outright is important in their field, you have to show, not just tell. If you just left that No out, and gave room for the chance that you are wrong, people wouldn't downvote, they'd upvote. People like to hear smart arguments. No one wants to hear outward dismissal. Especially of known experts.

PartiallyTyped 4y ago

I am neither the first, nor the last who believe that the Laureates have not done their due diligence properly with respect to citing sources. I could name many other people who have actually been more influential in the field.