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Photoshop and minor video manipulation is enough to trick people into believing fake news, this will make it harder. I see political parties doing simple edits

Photoshop and minor video manipulation is enough to trick people into believing fake news, this will make it harder. I see political parties doing simple edits to make people believe anything, this will push it multiple notches higher.

jacquesm 4y ago
That they can do so without consequences is almost as scary as that they can do so in the first place.
- willnonya 4y ago
  Fraud, slander etc are already illegal. There are consequences for crossing these lines.
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    AFAIK nothing ever happened to the political parties that use these tactics. But I'll be happy to be corrected.
  - pjc50 4y ago
    Not in politics they aren't. There was an incredibly high bar to clear for the Alex Jones libel lawsuit to succeed.
teekert 4y ago
You really have low exceptions for humanity. Most people are not complete idiots you know. I think your opinion is pretty elitist. Or do you think you yourself will fall for this as well?
- ravivyas 4y ago
  Less elitist(might really sound like one), more realist who knows that masses devolve to the lowest common denominator of sorts based on the information they are provided
- citizenkeen 4y ago
  Not the person you’re responding to, but I don’t think it’s egotist at all. I’m sure I’ll fall for some news manipulation. I’m sure I already have. I don’t think it’s elitist to think many people will be duped. I think it’s arrogant to think you won’t.
- pjc50 4y ago
  Bunch of people just stormed the Brazilian government buildings yesterday over a fake "election theft" narrative. This stuff will be constantly tuned until enough people do fall for it, like advertising. There's also the unravelling biography of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Santos#Scandals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Santos#Scandals (you know someone's doing well when their "scandals" section has ten subheadings! And that's all old-fashioned manual fraud) (I'm now wondering how far you could get with an elected official who's entirely deepfaked and only appears in recordings. Probably all the way to being sworn in, at which point someone has to appear in person. People have occasionally been elected despite being dead, so it's not impossible)
  - swader999 4y ago
    Or millions of people passively accepted the results of a stolen election. That would be an equally viable scenario with this technology. You just won't know the truth anymore.
    - benlivengood 4y ago
      It's not equally viable; there are centuries worth of checks and balances designed to prevent voting fraud and errors vs. the ease of speaking a lie on video. If electoral boards around the country or at the national level were all sounding the alarm for irregularity in voting returns or procedures then an election might have been stolen. As it stands, the election results match the earlier polls which is a strong indicator that, at best, the election became a tossup at the time it was held, and the military also didn't find any reason to suspect fraud or error.
  - iso1631 4y ago
    > Probably all the way to being sworn in, at which point someone has to appear in person. People have occasionally been elected despite being dead, so it's not impossible) Unless the people doing the swearing in are also fake.
- willnonya 4y ago
  Perhaps most people aren't, evidence is pending, but enough of them have been proven to be that this is a real concern.
  - nullsense 4y ago
    >enough of them have been proven to be that this is a real concern This matters a loooot more than the smart enough people realize too, because it's so difficult to imagine what it's like being south of that threshold, the potential consequences are difficult to imagine.
- sethammons 4y ago
  Agent K: A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. --Men in Black
- timeon 4y ago
  It is easy to see through bullshit... ex-post. But not so easy in real-time. > Or do you think you yourself will fall for this as well? Yes.
iso1631 4y ago
> Photoshop and minor video manipulation is enough to trick people into believing fake news If the news confirms what they think is the truth, it doesn't need manipulation, just a fake heading https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/climate-protest-ukraine-body-bag/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/climate-protest-ukraine-bo... for example (and in that case it even had the true caption on the video, just not in English)

jacquesm 4y ago

That they can do so without consequences is almost as scary as that they can do so in the first place.

willnonya 4y ago
Fraud, slander etc are already illegal. There are consequences for crossing these lines.
- jacquesm 4y ago
  AFAIK nothing ever happened to the political parties that use these tactics. But I'll be happy to be corrected.
- pjc50 4y ago
  Not in politics they aren't. There was an incredibly high bar to clear for the Alex Jones libel lawsuit to succeed.

teekert 4y ago

You really have low exceptions for humanity. Most people are not complete idiots you know. I think your opinion is pretty elitist. Or do you think you yourself will fall for this as well?

ravivyas 4y ago
Less elitist(might really sound like one), more realist who knows that masses devolve to the lowest common denominator of sorts based on the information they are provided
citizenkeen 4y ago
Not the person you’re responding to, but I don’t think it’s egotist at all. I’m sure I’ll fall for some news manipulation. I’m sure I already have. I don’t think it’s elitist to think many people will be duped. I think it’s arrogant to think you won’t.
pjc50 4y ago
Bunch of people just stormed the Brazilian government buildings yesterday over a fake "election theft" narrative. This stuff will be constantly tuned until enough people do fall for it, like advertising. There's also the unravelling biography of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Santos#Scandals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Santos#Scandals (you know someone's doing well when their "scandals" section has ten subheadings! And that's all old-fashioned manual fraud) (I'm now wondering how far you could get with an elected official who's entirely deepfaked and only appears in recordings. Probably all the way to being sworn in, at which point someone has to appear in person. People have occasionally been elected despite being dead, so it's not impossible)
- swader999 4y ago
  Or millions of people passively accepted the results of a stolen election. That would be an equally viable scenario with this technology. You just won't know the truth anymore.
  - benlivengood 4y ago
    It's not equally viable; there are centuries worth of checks and balances designed to prevent voting fraud and errors vs. the ease of speaking a lie on video. If electoral boards around the country or at the national level were all sounding the alarm for irregularity in voting returns or procedures then an election might have been stolen. As it stands, the election results match the earlier polls which is a strong indicator that, at best, the election became a tossup at the time it was held, and the military also didn't find any reason to suspect fraud or error.
- iso1631 4y ago
  > Probably all the way to being sworn in, at which point someone has to appear in person. People have occasionally been elected despite being dead, so it's not impossible) Unless the people doing the swearing in are also fake.
willnonya 4y ago
Perhaps most people aren't, evidence is pending, but enough of them have been proven to be that this is a real concern.
- nullsense 4y ago
  >enough of them have been proven to be that this is a real concern This matters a loooot more than the smart enough people realize too, because it's so difficult to imagine what it's like being south of that threshold, the potential consequences are difficult to imagine.
sethammons 4y ago
Agent K: A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. --Men in Black
timeon 4y ago
It is easy to see through bullshit... ex-post. But not so easy in real-time. > Or do you think you yourself will fall for this as well? Yes.

iso1631 4y ago

> Photoshop and minor video manipulation is enough to trick people into believing fake news If the news confirms what they think is the truth, it doesn't need manipulation, just a fake heading https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/climate-protest-ukraine-body-bag/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/climate-protest-ukraine-bo... for example (and in that case it even had the true caption on the video, just not in English)