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As a quick preface, I usually think its much easier to have a coherent conversation when we actually reply to the comment we referring to, otherwise it won't be

As a quick preface, I usually think its much easier to have a coherent conversation when we actually reply to the comment we referring to, otherwise it won't be listed in the threads section and will easily go unseen. "Moreover, they will "run some small advertisements in your list of notes" which sounds a lot like GMail., which crawls through emails to find keywords then uses those to display ads on your GMail pages." That sentence insinuates that Pownce is--or will--use data context to increase ad relevancy. I don't believe I am inaccurately representing the article by saying so. I don't know the details of the Pownce private policy, but I do know that the excerpt I quoted (the only excerpt of the policy contained in the article) is meaningless in regards to using context to serve ads. Sitting back and accepting this sort of speculative commentary is detrimental because it adds confusion and misinformation without bringing with it any merit to redeem itself. This article could have been done in a valid way, by an individual with an understanding of the American legal system, there may indeed be more than illusionary specters to the issue of Pownce's privacy policy, but we won't learn anything from the haphazard and speculative inquiry that this post embodies.

deramisan 19y ago
Let's just keep this simple:' 1) We know Kevin Rose isn't a man of principle - he sides with corporations to save his skin, then the mob if he risks losing his followers (see: Digg HD-DVD scandal) 2) There is money to be made by targetting ads that used scraped content as a basis for choosing what to display to who (see: Google) 3) There is nothing in the Pownce privacy policy that says they won't scrape your content. So a guy who will do what it takes for his company, right or wrong, has a ton of content he could scrape to increase ad revenue and he isn't saying that he won't do that. Is it reasonable or not to then 'be concerned' about ones privacy? You tell me what part of this you disagree with. "Many companies offer programs that help you to visit websites anonymously. While Megatechtronium will not be able to provide you with a personalized experience if we cannot recognize you, we want you to be aware that these programs are available." (Pownce.com/privacy) What do you suppose they mean by a 'personalized experience'?
- willarson 19y ago
  "The personal information you provide may be used for such purposes as responding to your requests for certain products and services, customizing the advertising and content you see, and communicating with you about specials, sales offers and new products." The privacy policy clearly states that they will do what the article is insinuating. The article didn't even bother to quote this relevant segment, or to even mention that it exists. It instead makes it argument based on an irrelevant quote that doesn't support its insinuation. The article is poorly done, and fails to make a meaningful point because it builds a foundation on thin air, even though there was a solid foundation for it to rest upon in the first five paragraphs of the privacy policy. That, rather than slandering Kevin Rose, is what quality journalism is based upon. As for the personalized experience issue it seems more likely that anonymity services will impede assignment of cookies and thus the cookie framework used to maintain persistent user sessions will be rendered non-functioning. This is a protocol issue, not another mythical infringer of privacy to point fingers at while screaming hysterically. The article uses bad evidence deceptively when good evidence is readily available, and could have been used to make the point cleanly and without making leaps of faith in the argument. Why would one waste time reading analysis performed by someone who clearly doesn't even care enough to perform analysis?
  - deramisan 19y ago
    Hahahah awesome. So you basically criticized the article for doing something it didn't do (make misguided claims), then in the same breath you yourself made misguided claims. This is almost too funny for words. You wrote: "Its great to see people who haven't used a service making misguided claims." Then you wrote: "The privacy policy clearly states that they will do what the article is insinuating." Misguided claims? Now you concede that the article was correct and that its claims were not misguided. So you made the false claim that the article was making misguided claims without bothering to make sure your own claims weren't misguided. What a mouthful! Yes, the article could have had more relevant direct quotes from Pownce, but it was based on solid fact as you now admit - unlike your own claims which were patently false. Let me sum it up: the article was right, and you falsely accused it of being wrong, thereby doing exactly what the article didn't do and what you criticized it for - making misguided claims.

deramisan 19y ago

Let's just keep this simple:' 1) We know Kevin Rose isn't a man of principle - he sides with corporations to save his skin, then the mob if he risks losing his followers (see: Digg HD-DVD scandal) 2) There is money to be made by targetting ads that used scraped content as a basis for choosing what to display to who (see: Google) 3) There is nothing in the Pownce privacy policy that says they won't scrape your content. So a guy who will do what it takes for his company, right or wrong, has a ton of content he could scrape to increase ad revenue and he isn't saying that he won't do that. Is it reasonable or not to then 'be concerned' about ones privacy? You tell me what part of this you disagree with. "Many companies offer programs that help you to visit websites anonymously. While Megatechtronium will not be able to provide you with a personalized experience if we cannot recognize you, we want you to be aware that these programs are available." (Pownce.com/privacy) What do you suppose they mean by a 'personalized experience'?

willarson 19y ago
"The personal information you provide may be used for such purposes as responding to your requests for certain products and services, customizing the advertising and content you see, and communicating with you about specials, sales offers and new products." The privacy policy clearly states that they will do what the article is insinuating. The article didn't even bother to quote this relevant segment, or to even mention that it exists. It instead makes it argument based on an irrelevant quote that doesn't support its insinuation. The article is poorly done, and fails to make a meaningful point because it builds a foundation on thin air, even though there was a solid foundation for it to rest upon in the first five paragraphs of the privacy policy. That, rather than slandering Kevin Rose, is what quality journalism is based upon. As for the personalized experience issue it seems more likely that anonymity services will impede assignment of cookies and thus the cookie framework used to maintain persistent user sessions will be rendered non-functioning. This is a protocol issue, not another mythical infringer of privacy to point fingers at while screaming hysterically. The article uses bad evidence deceptively when good evidence is readily available, and could have been used to make the point cleanly and without making leaps of faith in the argument. Why would one waste time reading analysis performed by someone who clearly doesn't even care enough to perform analysis?
- deramisan 19y ago
  Hahahah awesome. So you basically criticized the article for doing something it didn't do (make misguided claims), then in the same breath you yourself made misguided claims. This is almost too funny for words. You wrote: "Its great to see people who haven't used a service making misguided claims." Then you wrote: "The privacy policy clearly states that they will do what the article is insinuating." Misguided claims? Now you concede that the article was correct and that its claims were not misguided. So you made the false claim that the article was making misguided claims without bothering to make sure your own claims weren't misguided. What a mouthful! Yes, the article could have had more relevant direct quotes from Pownce, but it was based on solid fact as you now admit - unlike your own claims which were patently false. Let me sum it up: the article was right, and you falsely accused it of being wrong, thereby doing exactly what the article didn't do and what you criticized it for - making misguided claims.