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> I don't think that this is a very good application for the technology. Compared to lithium batteries, Mazda also have an all-electric car, the Mx-30. (Starti

> I don't think that this is a very good application for the technology. Compared to lithium batteries, Mazda also have an all-electric car, the Mx-30. (Starting MSRP $33,470)

pornel 4y ago
It's the worst EV on the market. It's only a compliance car, not something they expect anyone to drive. Toyota/Subaru aren't much better. Japanese carmakers seem to hope that BEVs are only a fad.
- tmpburning 4y ago
  Why do you think it is the worst on the market?
  - pornel 4y ago
    It’s Doug DeMuro’s Worst Car of the Year. Every other review I’ve seen is also overwhelmingly negative. It has a range of a “city car”, but a price of EVs with double the range. It has max 50kW DC charging, while the competition has >100kW speeds. This makes the short range even more limiting. It’s not even powerful, even though high torque is the one easy trick for EVs. It’s a conversion of a gas car, not a dedicated platform, which wastes cabin and storage space. Mazda failed to keep the same front/rear weight balance making the car reportedly handle poorly. It’s technically at the level of 2009 Renault Zoe or the old Leaf, but for a price of 2019 eNiro or the current Kona and Cupra Born.
    - tmpburning 4y ago
      > It has a range of a “city car”, but a price of EVs with double the range. I agree that the price is too high, but that is the case for all EVs > It’s a conversion of a gas car, not a dedicated platform Maybe because the platform was so safe/good... I love my current Mazda CX-5 (not EV)
      - pornel 4y ago
        I don't doubt you love your CX-5, but I can't emphasize enough how much of a fuck-up the CX-30 EV is. Platform matters. BEV platforms are skateboards with flat floor and wheels basically at the very corners. OTOH CX-30 has an empty transmission tunnel taking up cabin space, and is so cramped they couldn't even fit normal-sized rear doors, and it's almost a 2-seater. Dedicated EVs of the same length have full-sized doors and spacious rear seats. Mazda took out the engine, and didn't rearrange or rebalance anything else to match. No extra storage. They just left a hole and dangling cables under the hood. They've taken a front-heavy car platform and unbalanced it by making the the rear heavier. EVs are expensive mainly because of batteries, but this one has a half-sized battery for a price of a full-sized one. You're not even paying for a better rest of the car. It's just a mediocre Mazda with a low-end EV tech that is 10 years behind. The EV side of it is really really bad. Old models of Zoe and Leaf that you can get for <$10K have this level of range and performance.
    - fomine3 4y ago
      "one easy trick" is harmful for public road IMO

> I don't think that this is a very good application for the technology. Compared to lithium batteries, Mazda also have an all-electric car, the Mx-30. (Starting MSRP $33,470)

pornel 4y ago

It's the worst EV on the market. It's only a compliance car, not something they expect anyone to drive. Toyota/Subaru aren't much better. Japanese carmakers seem to hope that BEVs are only a fad.

tmpburning 4y ago
Why do you think it is the worst on the market?
- pornel 4y ago
  It’s Doug DeMuro’s Worst Car of the Year. Every other review I’ve seen is also overwhelmingly negative. It has a range of a “city car”, but a price of EVs with double the range. It has max 50kW DC charging, while the competition has >100kW speeds. This makes the short range even more limiting. It’s not even powerful, even though high torque is the one easy trick for EVs. It’s a conversion of a gas car, not a dedicated platform, which wastes cabin and storage space. Mazda failed to keep the same front/rear weight balance making the car reportedly handle poorly. It’s technically at the level of 2009 Renault Zoe or the old Leaf, but for a price of 2019 eNiro or the current Kona and Cupra Born.
  - tmpburning 4y ago
    > It has a range of a “city car”, but a price of EVs with double the range. I agree that the price is too high, but that is the case for all EVs > It’s a conversion of a gas car, not a dedicated platform Maybe because the platform was so safe/good... I love my current Mazda CX-5 (not EV)
    - pornel 4y ago
      I don't doubt you love your CX-5, but I can't emphasize enough how much of a fuck-up the CX-30 EV is. Platform matters. BEV platforms are skateboards with flat floor and wheels basically at the very corners. OTOH CX-30 has an empty transmission tunnel taking up cabin space, and is so cramped they couldn't even fit normal-sized rear doors, and it's almost a 2-seater. Dedicated EVs of the same length have full-sized doors and spacious rear seats. Mazda took out the engine, and didn't rearrange or rebalance anything else to match. No extra storage. They just left a hole and dangling cables under the hood. They've taken a front-heavy car platform and unbalanced it by making the the rear heavier. EVs are expensive mainly because of batteries, but this one has a half-sized battery for a price of a full-sized one. You're not even paying for a better rest of the car. It's just a mediocre Mazda with a low-end EV tech that is 10 years behind. The EV side of it is really really bad. Old models of Zoe and Leaf that you can get for <$10K have this level of range and performance.
  - fomine3 4y ago
    "one easy trick" is harmful for public road IMO