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> Let's do drinking water next! Come to England, we've already done that! One of only two countries in the world to completely privatise its water, the other b

> Let's do drinking water next! Come to England, we've already done that! One of only two countries in the world to completely privatise its water, the other being Chile.

nerdchum 4y ago
"By 2020 the price of water had risen by 40% in real terms since privatisation and almost a quarter of households had difficulty paying their water bills." https://www.bmj.com/content/378/bmj.o2076 https://www.bmj.com/content/378/bmj.o2076 Just wow. Also, English water is 70% foreign owned apparently. That sounds unsettling. Also, didn't Liz Truss's cabinet not have a single English man on it recently? Out of 22 spots not one English male. Also isn't London property like 40% foreign owned? Interesting times we live in.
- iso1631 4y ago
  They annoying thing is that it's not even privitsed in a sensible way. A reservoir company could pay a yearly rent to the taxpayer for the amount of water it could capture, and the space the resoviors use. They could then charge for water on demand per litre to a company that distributes that water, then that company would charge per litre to the consumer Having to buy 1000l of water for £1 and sell it for £1.20 gives a major investment to not throw the stock away through leaks. Other company have incentives to do things like building more storage (to buy supply when it's cheap and sell when it's not), and the consumer gets to choose which supplier to use. Same with sewage. The main problem is the last mile would have to remain in public ownership as you couldn't have multiple companies providing pipes to each premises, and that I believe is where most of the leaks go
  - nerdchum 4y ago
    Internet companies are a good example of how difficult it is to bring a utility to a giant metro area. I'm not sure if that's because of government barriers or because of actual physical logistics. Even Google Fiber seems to have given up. But then you look at places where internet is managed by the government like Fort Collins and you have extremely fast, extremely cheap community internet. But then again, that's a pretty small homogenous rural community. I'm not too familiar with the ins and outs of utility distribution just sporadic data points so I can't hope to get close to the truth about this. It does seem like if you have the government and industry working together on something, it's the worst of all worlds rather than just one or the other.
    - iso1631 4y ago
      If the municipality provides the fibre to each house to a local data centre, then private companies can rent space in the data centre to provide services. You still get a choice between ISPs (some may want a proper internet provision, perhaps with BGP handling and no contention on the uplink, others may be happy with a company that provides a wifi access point that also irradiates a public SSID. Presumably the former will cost more, but that's fine) Basically the local road (the fibre) is paid for by the local city and run on behalf of the residents, the local road transports people (packets) to the airport (municipal data centre), where the ISPs pay landing fees to take people where they need to go at different rates for different services, with competition between ISPs, and pretty easy entry costs, ensuring high standards, low prices, and plenty of choice.
- rocknor 4y ago
  > Also, didn't Liz Truss's cabinet not have a single English man on it recently? Out of 22 spots not one English male. Is there an exact definition of an "English man" you know that we aren't aware of? Most of them are born and brought up in England, they seem pretty English to me. And why do you specifically point out males, what about English females?
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  - nerdchum 4y ago
    I mean multi generational English with family members who died in wars defending England, people who have shed blood for England. People whose homeland England is and has always been. People who have defined the uniqueness of English culture from other cultures for thousands of years. People who have made England a desirable place to be vs the places everyone else wants to leave. Rather than people whose parents came to England because it has a good economy.
    - rocknor 4y ago
      > who died in wars defending England, people who have shed blood for England Boo fucking hoo. 1/6th of all British forces in WW2 were Indian, of course you don't count them. All this is ironic considering Britain murdered and raped the rest of the world to be where it is today. India was the cash cow of the empire without which Britain would not survive the war. And economic migration has been happening throughout human history, it is a fact of life. Immigrants today are actually saving the country by keeping the economy afloat and maintaining values of hard work which the "multi-generational English" people seem to have forgotten. Stop being a miserable old racist c*nt, go outside and actually talk to some brown people and fix your pitiful existence.
      - Taurenking 4y ago
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      - nerdchum 4y ago
- snapcaster 4y ago
  What are you talking about on Liz Truss cabinet? first result on google was this article https://www.npr.org/2022/09/08/1121610336/uk-liz-truss-diverse-cabinet https://www.npr.org/2022/09/08/1121610336/uk-liz-truss-diver... and every single one of them is english. "Raised in london", etc. etc.
  - NullPrefix 4y ago
    Elon Musk is African American

> Let's do drinking water next! Come to England, we've already done that! One of only two countries in the world to completely privatise its water, the other being Chile.

nerdchum 4y ago

"By 2020 the price of water had risen by 40% in real terms since privatisation and almost a quarter of households had difficulty paying their water bills." https://www.bmj.com/content/378/bmj.o2076 https://www.bmj.com/content/378/bmj.o2076 Just wow. Also, English water is 70% foreign owned apparently. That sounds unsettling. Also, didn't Liz Truss's cabinet not have a single English man on it recently? Out of 22 spots not one English male. Also isn't London property like 40% foreign owned? Interesting times we live in.

iso1631 4y ago
They annoying thing is that it's not even privitsed in a sensible way. A reservoir company could pay a yearly rent to the taxpayer for the amount of water it could capture, and the space the resoviors use. They could then charge for water on demand per litre to a company that distributes that water, then that company would charge per litre to the consumer Having to buy 1000l of water for £1 and sell it for £1.20 gives a major investment to not throw the stock away through leaks. Other company have incentives to do things like building more storage (to buy supply when it's cheap and sell when it's not), and the consumer gets to choose which supplier to use. Same with sewage. The main problem is the last mile would have to remain in public ownership as you couldn't have multiple companies providing pipes to each premises, and that I believe is where most of the leaks go
- nerdchum 4y ago
  Internet companies are a good example of how difficult it is to bring a utility to a giant metro area. I'm not sure if that's because of government barriers or because of actual physical logistics. Even Google Fiber seems to have given up. But then you look at places where internet is managed by the government like Fort Collins and you have extremely fast, extremely cheap community internet. But then again, that's a pretty small homogenous rural community. I'm not too familiar with the ins and outs of utility distribution just sporadic data points so I can't hope to get close to the truth about this. It does seem like if you have the government and industry working together on something, it's the worst of all worlds rather than just one or the other.
  - iso1631 4y ago
    If the municipality provides the fibre to each house to a local data centre, then private companies can rent space in the data centre to provide services. You still get a choice between ISPs (some may want a proper internet provision, perhaps with BGP handling and no contention on the uplink, others may be happy with a company that provides a wifi access point that also irradiates a public SSID. Presumably the former will cost more, but that's fine) Basically the local road (the fibre) is paid for by the local city and run on behalf of the residents, the local road transports people (packets) to the airport (municipal data centre), where the ISPs pay landing fees to take people where they need to go at different rates for different services, with competition between ISPs, and pretty easy entry costs, ensuring high standards, low prices, and plenty of choice.
rocknor 4y ago
> Also, didn't Liz Truss's cabinet not have a single English man on it recently? Out of 22 spots not one English male. Is there an exact definition of an "English man" you know that we aren't aware of? Most of them are born and brought up in England, they seem pretty English to me. And why do you specifically point out males, what about English females?
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- nerdchum 4y ago
  I mean multi generational English with family members who died in wars defending England, people who have shed blood for England. People whose homeland England is and has always been. People who have defined the uniqueness of English culture from other cultures for thousands of years. People who have made England a desirable place to be vs the places everyone else wants to leave. Rather than people whose parents came to England because it has a good economy.
  - rocknor 4y ago
    > who died in wars defending England, people who have shed blood for England Boo fucking hoo. 1/6th of all British forces in WW2 were Indian, of course you don't count them. All this is ironic considering Britain murdered and raped the rest of the world to be where it is today. India was the cash cow of the empire without which Britain would not survive the war. And economic migration has been happening throughout human history, it is a fact of life. Immigrants today are actually saving the country by keeping the economy afloat and maintaining values of hard work which the "multi-generational English" people seem to have forgotten. Stop being a miserable old racist c*nt, go outside and actually talk to some brown people and fix your pitiful existence.
    - Taurenking 4y ago
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    - nerdchum 4y ago
snapcaster 4y ago
What are you talking about on Liz Truss cabinet? first result on google was this article https://www.npr.org/2022/09/08/1121610336/uk-liz-truss-diverse-cabinet https://www.npr.org/2022/09/08/1121610336/uk-liz-truss-diver... and every single one of them is english. "Raised in london", etc. etc.
- NullPrefix 4y ago
  Elon Musk is African American