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Let's not forget that these airline cartels continue to overbook flights, leaving people stranded regularly, even during good weather.

sokoloff 4y ago
Southwest is one airline that does not overbook flights. Other airlines do as a matter of yield management.
- brookst 4y ago
  I’m confused by Southwest’s FAQ[0] on this. They’s making a distinction between selling more seats than the plans has and merely confirming more customers than the plan has seats. How is that different? If I get to the airport and they’re asking for volunteers to take a later flight, should I care why? 0. https://www.southwest.com/help/changes-and-cancellations/overbooking https://www.southwest.com/help/changes-and-cancellations/ove...
  - Rebelgecko 4y ago
    It sounds like they're saying "we don't overbook on purpose, but sometimes we need to change what plane we use on a flight and we've already sold more tickets than the new plane can accommodate"
    - sliken 4y ago
      Sure, but 103% overbooking is EVERY flight. Having reduced carrying capacity because of high temps, high winds, mechanical problems or switching planes is the exception not the rule.
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  - sokoloff 4y ago
    They don’t overbook. If a plane change or performance limit (temperature/wind related) means they’re not able to transport as many people as the original equipment is normally able to carry, that’s different than “we sell 103% of available seats and just count on it all working out…”
  - toast0 4y ago
    If you're bumped, it's the same disruption either way, but booking the capacity of the scheduled equipment within predicted conditions is not unreasonable and it's hard to see what they could do to avoid the situation where some passengers aren't going to be able to fly on their scheduled flight. If the weather changes such that the maximum weight is reduced, or the plane needs to be replaced and only a smaller plane is available (Southwest flies three 737 variants, one which has quite a few less seats), or a seat is broken and can't be fixed without a greater disruption, they don't really have another option than bumping passengers or always leaving many seats unsold.
mLuby 4y ago
Airlines are not a cartel (controlling supply to keep prices high). If anything they're the opposite: high competition on a substitutable service has dropped prices. It is however a capital-intensive, highly regulated industry that provides daily miracles of flight. We the people could push for laws preventing overbooking or providing better redress for missed transportation. However expect availability to decrease and prices to increase in response.
hamburglar 4y ago
Yes, the police aren’t really the problem here. The problem is the fact that the airline decided that its own customers were trespassing. This is legal but extremely shitty behavior on the airline’s part. It’s as if you went to a restaurant and they seated you at a table and said “welcome, now please leave” and then called the cops to have you removed because you were so confused that you started asking questions rather than comply.

sokoloff 4y ago

Southwest is one airline that does not overbook flights. Other airlines do as a matter of yield management.

brookst 4y ago
I’m confused by Southwest’s FAQ[0] on this. They’s making a distinction between selling more seats than the plans has and merely confirming more customers than the plan has seats. How is that different? If I get to the airport and they’re asking for volunteers to take a later flight, should I care why? 0. https://www.southwest.com/help/changes-and-cancellations/overbooking https://www.southwest.com/help/changes-and-cancellations/ove...
- Rebelgecko 4y ago
  It sounds like they're saying "we don't overbook on purpose, but sometimes we need to change what plane we use on a flight and we've already sold more tickets than the new plane can accommodate"
  - sliken 4y ago
    Sure, but 103% overbooking is EVERY flight. Having reduced carrying capacity because of high temps, high winds, mechanical problems or switching planes is the exception not the rule.
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- sokoloff 4y ago
  They don’t overbook. If a plane change or performance limit (temperature/wind related) means they’re not able to transport as many people as the original equipment is normally able to carry, that’s different than “we sell 103% of available seats and just count on it all working out…”
- toast0 4y ago
  If you're bumped, it's the same disruption either way, but booking the capacity of the scheduled equipment within predicted conditions is not unreasonable and it's hard to see what they could do to avoid the situation where some passengers aren't going to be able to fly on their scheduled flight. If the weather changes such that the maximum weight is reduced, or the plane needs to be replaced and only a smaller plane is available (Southwest flies three 737 variants, one which has quite a few less seats), or a seat is broken and can't be fixed without a greater disruption, they don't really have another option than bumping passengers or always leaving many seats unsold.

mLuby 4y ago

Airlines are not a cartel (controlling supply to keep prices high). If anything they're the opposite: high competition on a substitutable service has dropped prices. It is however a capital-intensive, highly regulated industry that provides daily miracles of flight. We the people could push for laws preventing overbooking or providing better redress for missed transportation. However expect availability to decrease and prices to increase in response.

hamburglar 4y ago

Yes, the police aren’t really the problem here. The problem is the fact that the airline decided that its own customers were trespassing. This is legal but extremely shitty behavior on the airline’s part. It’s as if you went to a restaurant and they seated you at a table and said “welcome, now please leave” and then called the cops to have you removed because you were so confused that you started asking questions rather than comply.