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My framework laptop has served me very well for the last year or so. This is one of the few pieces of open source hardware that is genuinely better (IMO) than m

My framework laptop has served me very well for the last year or so. This is one of the few pieces of open source hardware that is genuinely better (IMO) than many other larger hardware brands. The entire device is just so well built and the upgrade path is so well defined.

RosanaAnaDana 4y ago
How is the weight/ mobility/ versatility? I jumped on the System76 train initially and feel burned. I'm looking for an alternative for my next machine. Its gotta actually have functional battery life next round. I expected a firmware update at some point from system76 to resolve this and it basically has never happened.
- nsilvestri 4y ago
  I love the form factor, but the battery is my second biggest gripe with my Framework (after fractional scaling still not supported by many apps). Even after tweaking settings ad nauseam, I cannot get the suspend battery life to last more than 12-16 hours.
  - cge 4y ago
    If that's for an 11th gen model, that's taking into account the problems with HDMI/displayport extensions, and either not using them, or using the beta firmware update? The limited suspended battery life is admittedly rather annoying for me as well, but it doesn't seem as bad as it is in your case.
    - Rebelgecko 4y ago
      The killer for me is USB-A. Each draws about half a watt while the laptop is suspended, more than it usually draws when the laptop is turned on! With a 55 Wh battery, that really eats into your standby time (although I still usually get multiple days).
  - unhammer 4y ago
    https://community.frame.work/t/test-results-for-standby-battery-use-of-expansion-cards/23711 https://community.frame.work/t/test-results-for-standby-batt... seems like those expansion cards are the main suspend battery draw. Too bad, they look very handy.
- blumomo 4y ago
  System76 is working on a firmware update which targets all models listed here: https://github.com/system76/firmware-open/issues/340 https://github.com/system76/firmware-open/issues/340
- Kadin 4y ago
  I just got issued a System76 at work and I thought I must have configured something wrong. On one hand, I guess I'm glad it's not me; on the other hand, I wish it was just some dumb config toggle ("terrible_battery_life enable") that I could flip back to get more than a few hours of working time, or ~48 hours in my briefcase with the lid closed (!!!), before it was dead as a brick. It's like the early 2000s all over again, where the battery just got you from one outlet to the next. I feel bad even saying anything, because I like the company and Pop_OS and what they're trying to do in general. But damn, that's a big flaw to just ship products with in 2022.
vkoskiv 4y ago
> This is one of the few pieces of open source hardware that is genuinely better (IMO) than many other larger hardware brands. Is the Framework OSHW? I thought it was just very repairable, but proprietary. Have the PCB schematics and other designs been released?
- Lio 4y ago
  (I'm not a Framework user) Checking on the website you can apply for the schematics. https://knowledgebase.frame.work/availability-of-schematics-and-boardviews-BJMZ6EAu https://knowledgebase.frame.work/availability-of-schematics-...

RosanaAnaDana 4y ago

How is the weight/ mobility/ versatility? I jumped on the System76 train initially and feel burned. I'm looking for an alternative for my next machine. Its gotta actually have functional battery life next round. I expected a firmware update at some point from system76 to resolve this and it basically has never happened.

nsilvestri 4y ago
I love the form factor, but the battery is my second biggest gripe with my Framework (after fractional scaling still not supported by many apps). Even after tweaking settings ad nauseam, I cannot get the suspend battery life to last more than 12-16 hours.
- cge 4y ago
  If that's for an 11th gen model, that's taking into account the problems with HDMI/displayport extensions, and either not using them, or using the beta firmware update? The limited suspended battery life is admittedly rather annoying for me as well, but it doesn't seem as bad as it is in your case.
  - Rebelgecko 4y ago
    The killer for me is USB-A. Each draws about half a watt while the laptop is suspended, more than it usually draws when the laptop is turned on! With a 55 Wh battery, that really eats into your standby time (although I still usually get multiple days).
- unhammer 4y ago
  https://community.frame.work/t/test-results-for-standby-battery-use-of-expansion-cards/23711 https://community.frame.work/t/test-results-for-standby-batt... seems like those expansion cards are the main suspend battery draw. Too bad, they look very handy.
blumomo 4y ago
System76 is working on a firmware update which targets all models listed here: https://github.com/system76/firmware-open/issues/340 https://github.com/system76/firmware-open/issues/340
Kadin 4y ago
I just got issued a System76 at work and I thought I must have configured something wrong. On one hand, I guess I'm glad it's not me; on the other hand, I wish it was just some dumb config toggle ("terrible_battery_life enable") that I could flip back to get more than a few hours of working time, or ~48 hours in my briefcase with the lid closed (!!!), before it was dead as a brick. It's like the early 2000s all over again, where the battery just got you from one outlet to the next. I feel bad even saying anything, because I like the company and Pop_OS and what they're trying to do in general. But damn, that's a big flaw to just ship products with in 2022.

vkoskiv 4y ago

> This is one of the few pieces of open source hardware that is genuinely better (IMO) than many other larger hardware brands. Is the Framework OSHW? I thought it was just very repairable, but proprietary. Have the PCB schematics and other designs been released?

Lio 4y ago
(I'm not a Framework user) Checking on the website you can apply for the schematics. https://knowledgebase.frame.work/availability-of-schematics-and-boardviews-BJMZ6EAu https://knowledgebase.frame.work/availability-of-schematics-...