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From the article: > For others, it can be hours of crying, even to the point of vomiting (common enough to be a frequent topic of conversation on sleep-trainin

From the article: > For others, it can be hours of crying, even to the point of vomiting (common enough to be a frequent topic of conversation on sleep-training forums and addressed by baby sleep books including Ferber's The article also includes a reference to 2-3 hours.

zeroonetwothree 4y ago
It’s a spectrum between “spend 24/7 attached to a baby” and “ignore them all night”. Everyone thinks that the position even 1% different from what they adopted is abhorrent.
sanderjd 4y ago
Fair enough. I'm not supportive of letting kids cry for 2-3 hours even to the point of vomiting. But even then, I'm sympathetic to it if the parents have tried everything else and they have a kid that just won't sleep. I'm not like an absolutist or anything, I just think parents should have space to try to figure out what works for their own families without random strangers calling them abusive.
- metabagel 4y ago
  It's abusive to abandon an infant. https://www.attachmentparenting.org/ensure-safe-sleep-physically-and-emotionally https://www.attachmentparenting.org/ensure-safe-sleep-physic... "Research shows us that an infant is not neurologically or developmentally capable of calming or soothing himself to sleep in a way that is healthy. The part of the brain that helps with self-soothing isn't well developed until the child is two and a half to three years of age. Until that time, a child depends on his parents to help him calm down and learn to regulate his intense feelings."
  - sanderjd 4y ago
    And yet, sleep training is not abandoning an infant. Mind your own business and stop accusing strangers who you know nothing about of abuse. You're being an a-hole. Edit to add: attachmentparenting.org is not an objective arbiter of the research on whether or not the dogmas of attachment parenting are correct! They have a dog in this fight...
  - Auracle 4y ago
    That's funny, my baby has been able to self sooth since 3 months...at least with a pacifier.

zeroonetwothree 4y ago

It’s a spectrum between “spend 24/7 attached to a baby” and “ignore them all night”. Everyone thinks that the position even 1% different from what they adopted is abhorrent.

sanderjd 4y ago

Fair enough. I'm not supportive of letting kids cry for 2-3 hours even to the point of vomiting. But even then, I'm sympathetic to it if the parents have tried everything else and they have a kid that just won't sleep. I'm not like an absolutist or anything, I just think parents should have space to try to figure out what works for their own families without random strangers calling them abusive.

metabagel 4y ago
It's abusive to abandon an infant. https://www.attachmentparenting.org/ensure-safe-sleep-physically-and-emotionally https://www.attachmentparenting.org/ensure-safe-sleep-physic... "Research shows us that an infant is not neurologically or developmentally capable of calming or soothing himself to sleep in a way that is healthy. The part of the brain that helps with self-soothing isn't well developed until the child is two and a half to three years of age. Until that time, a child depends on his parents to help him calm down and learn to regulate his intense feelings."
- sanderjd 4y ago
  And yet, sleep training is not abandoning an infant. Mind your own business and stop accusing strangers who you know nothing about of abuse. You're being an a-hole. Edit to add: attachmentparenting.org is not an objective arbiter of the research on whether or not the dogmas of attachment parenting are correct! They have a dog in this fight...
- Auracle 4y ago
  That's funny, my baby has been able to self sooth since 3 months...at least with a pacifier.