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What anti-inmigrant or anti-lgbt statements are you referring to?

ulfw 4y ago
Seriously asking or just trolling? Musk is known to be anti-LGBT: https://www.them.us/story/elon-musk-gay-twitter-employee-grooming-twitter-files https://www.them.us/story/elon-musk-gay-twitter-employee-gro... https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/17/elon-musk-should-apologize-for-mocking-gender-pronouns-says-hrc.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/17/elon-musk-should-apologize-f... https://www.vice.com/en/article/epz8jz/elon-musk-twitter-colorado-shooting-anti-trans-reinstated https://www.vice.com/en/article/epz8jz/elon-musk-twitter-col... https://newrepublic.com/article/169112/elon-musk-anti-trans-twitter-john-br https://newrepublic.com/article/169112/elon-musk-anti-trans-... He even insinuated Pelosi's husband had gay hookers in his house! https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20221101-elon-musk-tweets-then-deletes-conspiracy-theory-post-about-the-paul-pelosi-attack https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20221101-... and that's nothing new for him: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/19/tesla-factory-workers-discrimination-claim-race-lgbt-elon-musk https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/19/tesla-fac...
- pauljurczak 4y ago
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- brigandish 4y ago
  From https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html#comments https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html#comments > Assume good faith. As to your claims: > Musk is known to be anti-LGBT Since when is pointing to an individual's comments who is gay and criticising them (the person or the comments) "anti-LGBT"? I'd like to see the reasoning for that one. I thought it's because Roth brings up children in questionable comments, an awful lot. YMMV. The next link's headline is "Elon Musk should apologize for mocking gender pronouns, says group that gave Tesla top LGBTQ-friendly rating" - why? Freedom of speech includes freedom to mock. Anyone wanting, nay, demanding their own pronouns is eminently mockable, trans or not. Next link's headline is "Elon Musk's Twitter Reinstates Anti-Trans Activists on Same Weekend as Club Q Attacked". Aside from that being a shameless guilt-by-association fallacy, the policy changed after Musk asked the question "Should Twitter offer a general amnesty to suspended accounts, provided that they have not broken the law or engaged in egregious spam?" Portraying a general amnesty as something targeted seems a tad misleading. Next headline: “Not content with reactivating accounts that spewed anti-trans content, Musk’s Twitter has now banned a group that organizes to protect people at LGBTQ events from far-right violence.” I had to do a bit of digging with this one. The banned group, the Elm Fork John Brown Gun Club, claim they were suspended for two tweets (from the link you gave): > The reason given for its account suspension, an Elm Fork John Brown Gun Club contributor told The New Republic, was that it had violated Twitter rules against “hateful conduct,” with two tweets cited: a reply to the official account of U.S. Customs and Border Protection (“Mugging at gun point,” reads the reply to an unspecified CBP post) and another post with what seems like a retort to the perpetual conservative nonjoke about pronouns, “Every queer a riflethem.” I don't understand why that would lead to suspension. It turns out that they are part of Antifa and were involved in targeting a conservative activist[1][2]. Perhaps it is linked to tweets like the following by its leader? [3] > For legal reasons, this is a direct threat. Enjoy your kneecaps while you've got them. I can't tell. This tweet[4] from Musk in response to another thread by Ngo says: > That is a disturbing story and very concerning that Twitter took no action, despite clear violation of ToS. Report in this thread for now. So it seems possible that it may have been because those tweets were seen as threatening somehow, or for other violations that were previously, I'm tempted to write condoned but shall we say, overlooked? [1] https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1557475321678647297 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1557475321678647297 [2] https://humanevents.com/2022/08/10/meet-the-woman-antifa-militants-view-as-one-of-the-biggest-threats-in-texas/ https://humanevents.com/2022/08/10/meet-the-woman-antifa-mil... [3] https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1557478306760597504 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1557478306760597504 [4] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1596071799410003969 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1596071799410003969
  - eclipxe 4y ago
    lol.
- AussieWog93 4y ago
  >Seriously asking or just trolling? For what it's worth, I didn't know what statements were being referred to, and I like to keep up with tech news. There are probably a lot of others in the same boat too - definitely more then there are trolls feigning ignorance about him. It's probably best to assume good faith from the commenter, especially when their username is "transcoderx"!
  - akiselev 4y ago
    > It's probably best to assume good faith from the commenter, especially when their username is "transcoderx"! Given that HN is a site by nerds for nerds, I think you’re leaping to conclusions: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcoding https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcoding :-)
    - AussieWog93 4y ago
      Haha, of course!
- pptr 4y ago
  These all seem like "nothing burgers" to me. * He critizised that Yoel advocated for Kids using dating platforms in his PhD thesis. It's a misrepresentation IMO, but the reasoning behind his criticism is not LGBT specific. * This is about mocking pronouns, not about LGBT people. “I absolutely support trans, but all these pronouns are an esthetic nightmare.” - EM * He reinstated a lot of accounts that didn't violate the law (free speech). Vice cherry picked some examples that were originally banned for "anti LGBT" tweets. * Activist account was banned for "hateful conduct". I don't know the context here, but that classification seems reasonable. * He did delete the pelosi tweet, presumably once he realized it was false. * The last one is about anti LGBT behavior by employees at Tesla, not by EM himself.
JonathanBeuys 4y ago
Take this one, written 20 minutes ago: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1607997591870124032 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1607997591870124032 Depicting the LGBT flag as one of the attributes of a brainwashed person. You can see many tweets like this, belittling minorities, when you scroll through the "Tweets & replies" tab on Musks profile.
- lostmsu 4y ago
  I think you are missing the nuances of this picture.
  - unclenoriega 4y ago
    Can you explain it? I am also struggling.
    - lostmsu 4y ago
      My understanding is there's controversy about the "new" LGBT flag even among the movement.
      - freejazz 4y ago
        So? Acting like Musk is making a point on behalf of LGBT people is so incredibly disingenuous it speaks to your character as a liar no different from Musk himself. There's a world where it's possible that could be what he meant, but it's not the one we are living in! Look around.
        lostmsu 4y ago
        > Acting like Musk is making a point on behalf of LGBT people You are fighting imaginary windmills here. I never said Musk is acting on behalf of LGBT.
        freejazz 4y ago

ulfw 4y ago

Seriously asking or just trolling? Musk is known to be anti-LGBT: https://www.them.us/story/elon-musk-gay-twitter-employee-grooming-twitter-files https://www.them.us/story/elon-musk-gay-twitter-employee-gro... https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/17/elon-musk-should-apologize-for-mocking-gender-pronouns-says-hrc.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/17/elon-musk-should-apologize-f... https://www.vice.com/en/article/epz8jz/elon-musk-twitter-colorado-shooting-anti-trans-reinstated https://www.vice.com/en/article/epz8jz/elon-musk-twitter-col... https://newrepublic.com/article/169112/elon-musk-anti-trans-twitter-john-br https://newrepublic.com/article/169112/elon-musk-anti-trans-... He even insinuated Pelosi's husband had gay hookers in his house! https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20221101-elon-musk-tweets-then-deletes-conspiracy-theory-post-about-the-paul-pelosi-attack https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20221101-... and that's nothing new for him: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/19/tesla-factory-workers-discrimination-claim-race-lgbt-elon-musk https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/19/tesla-fac...

pauljurczak 4y ago
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brigandish 4y ago
From https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html#comments https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html#comments > Assume good faith. As to your claims: > Musk is known to be anti-LGBT Since when is pointing to an individual's comments who is gay and criticising them (the person or the comments) "anti-LGBT"? I'd like to see the reasoning for that one. I thought it's because Roth brings up children in questionable comments, an awful lot. YMMV. The next link's headline is "Elon Musk should apologize for mocking gender pronouns, says group that gave Tesla top LGBTQ-friendly rating" - why? Freedom of speech includes freedom to mock. Anyone wanting, nay, demanding their own pronouns is eminently mockable, trans or not. Next link's headline is "Elon Musk's Twitter Reinstates Anti-Trans Activists on Same Weekend as Club Q Attacked". Aside from that being a shameless guilt-by-association fallacy, the policy changed after Musk asked the question "Should Twitter offer a general amnesty to suspended accounts, provided that they have not broken the law or engaged in egregious spam?" Portraying a general amnesty as something targeted seems a tad misleading. Next headline: “Not content with reactivating accounts that spewed anti-trans content, Musk’s Twitter has now banned a group that organizes to protect people at LGBTQ events from far-right violence.” I had to do a bit of digging with this one. The banned group, the Elm Fork John Brown Gun Club, claim they were suspended for two tweets (from the link you gave): > The reason given for its account suspension, an Elm Fork John Brown Gun Club contributor told The New Republic, was that it had violated Twitter rules against “hateful conduct,” with two tweets cited: a reply to the official account of U.S. Customs and Border Protection (“Mugging at gun point,” reads the reply to an unspecified CBP post) and another post with what seems like a retort to the perpetual conservative nonjoke about pronouns, “Every queer a riflethem.” I don't understand why that would lead to suspension. It turns out that they are part of Antifa and were involved in targeting a conservative activist[1][2]. Perhaps it is linked to tweets like the following by its leader? [3] > For legal reasons, this is a direct threat. Enjoy your kneecaps while you've got them. I can't tell. This tweet[4] from Musk in response to another thread by Ngo says: > That is a disturbing story and very concerning that Twitter took no action, despite clear violation of ToS. Report in this thread for now. So it seems possible that it may have been because those tweets were seen as threatening somehow, or for other violations that were previously, I'm tempted to write condoned but shall we say, overlooked? [1] https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1557475321678647297 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1557475321678647297 [2] https://humanevents.com/2022/08/10/meet-the-woman-antifa-militants-view-as-one-of-the-biggest-threats-in-texas/ https://humanevents.com/2022/08/10/meet-the-woman-antifa-mil... [3] https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1557478306760597504 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1557478306760597504 [4] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1596071799410003969 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1596071799410003969
- eclipxe 4y ago
  lol.
AussieWog93 4y ago
>Seriously asking or just trolling? For what it's worth, I didn't know what statements were being referred to, and I like to keep up with tech news. There are probably a lot of others in the same boat too - definitely more then there are trolls feigning ignorance about him. It's probably best to assume good faith from the commenter, especially when their username is "transcoderx"!
- akiselev 4y ago
  > It's probably best to assume good faith from the commenter, especially when their username is "transcoderx"! Given that HN is a site by nerds for nerds, I think you’re leaping to conclusions: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcoding https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcoding :-)
  - AussieWog93 4y ago
    Haha, of course!
pptr 4y ago
These all seem like "nothing burgers" to me. * He critizised that Yoel advocated for Kids using dating platforms in his PhD thesis. It's a misrepresentation IMO, but the reasoning behind his criticism is not LGBT specific. * This is about mocking pronouns, not about LGBT people. “I absolutely support trans, but all these pronouns are an esthetic nightmare.” - EM * He reinstated a lot of accounts that didn't violate the law (free speech). Vice cherry picked some examples that were originally banned for "anti LGBT" tweets. * Activist account was banned for "hateful conduct". I don't know the context here, but that classification seems reasonable. * He did delete the pelosi tweet, presumably once he realized it was false. * The last one is about anti LGBT behavior by employees at Tesla, not by EM himself.

JonathanBeuys 4y ago

Take this one, written 20 minutes ago: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1607997591870124032 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1607997591870124032 Depicting the LGBT flag as one of the attributes of a brainwashed person. You can see many tweets like this, belittling minorities, when you scroll through the "Tweets & replies" tab on Musks profile.

lostmsu 4y ago
I think you are missing the nuances of this picture.
- unclenoriega 4y ago
  Can you explain it? I am also struggling.
  - lostmsu 4y ago
    My understanding is there's controversy about the "new" LGBT flag even among the movement.
    - freejazz 4y ago
      So? Acting like Musk is making a point on behalf of LGBT people is so incredibly disingenuous it speaks to your character as a liar no different from Musk himself. There's a world where it's possible that could be what he meant, but it's not the one we are living in! Look around.
      - lostmsu 4y ago
        > Acting like Musk is making a point on behalf of LGBT people You are fighting imaginary windmills here. I never said Musk is acting on behalf of LGBT.
        freejazz 4y ago