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> would it be possible for them to look for a second "pleroma/akkoma" server Soapbox[1] is probably the most mature alternative to Mastodon, but the general co

> would it be possible for them to look for a second "pleroma/akkoma" server Soapbox[1] is probably the most mature alternative to Mastodon, but the general consensus seems to be that it can't be used because most users of Mastodon don't align with the Soapbox creator's view on politics. [1] https://soapbox.pub/ https://soapbox.pub/

jszymborski 4y ago
In fairness, this is also the case with Pleroma (and is largely why Akkoma exists).
vlovich123 4y ago
> but the general consensus seems to be that it can't be used because most users of Mastodon don't align with the Soapbox creator's view on politics This is vague and wasn't immediately obvious to me. What I found online is that there's some kerfuffle over him saying he's not supporting trans rights at the expense of biological women's rights. Did I misunderstand the position or did I capture it accurately?
- 2Gkashmiri 4y ago
  please help me understand, why is that "stand" supposed to influence your or my decision to use or not use their software? its not like WE HAVE TO SUBSCRIBE to their views before installation like those terms and conditions? are we saying a "developer who says bad things about trans people has made bad software and should be avoided like the plague"
  - smcn 4y ago
    I guess the idea is that by giving them success you're allowing them to broadcast their opinion to more and more people. At least that's my read on it. Given how big a part trans people have played in the creation of ActivityPub, I get why you would want to avoid people like this in the scene.
    - Tomte 4y ago
      Avoiding people in your community (i.e. your Mastodon instance) is fine. Trying to keep people away from using a protocol (ActivityPub) is insane.
- concho 4y ago
well_actulily 4y ago
scrollaway 4y ago
The Mastodon-compatible alternative I'm looking at the most is Takahe: https://github.com/jointakahe/takahe/ https://github.com/jointakahe/takahe/ Its goal is to be lightweight and able to run on low resources and serverless infra. It also supports multi-domain multi-identity. Built on Django.
- rcarmo 4y ago
  I am running it as of yesterday and it shows a _lot_ of promise. I took it entirely the other way (test instance on a Pi with SQLite) and it is just purring along, although I haven’t yet put any significant load on it (that will likely happen once 0.6 is released and there is better client support).
tbrownaw 4y ago
The about page says it's agpl3. Which doesn't impose any requirements about users having the same politics as the author.
- rglullis 4y ago
  Tell that to average Mastodon user.
2Gkashmiri 4y ago
what has "software"do do with views of creators? i find this unsettling that people are choosing between projects not based on merits, is one faster, less resource hungry, in a safer language, is compatible with standards, is easy to use or manage or update, can be modified or not, can be piped with other software or not but no. people are concerned about "views of one developer/team"..... so what has "Soapbox creator's view on politics." got to do with "Soapbox[1] is probably the most mature alternative to Mastodon". you are saying both things in one sentence yourself. if soapbox is mature alternative, use it. why should there be a "general consensus" to avoid it?
- lou1306 4y ago
  A piece of social networking software that gets popular does bring a certain audience/reach to its creator. So "The software is good but I don't want the views of its creator to reach a broader audience" is a valid stance as far as I'm concerned.
  - leereeves 4y ago
    > A piece of social networking software that gets popular does bring a certain audience/reach to its creator. Does it? I have no idea who created Mastodon.
    - smcn 4y ago
      You don't? https://time.com/6229230/mastodon-eugen-rochko-interview/ https://time.com/6229230/mastodon-eugen-rochko-interview/
      - Tomte 4y ago
        The name didn't seem to be prominently reported until the Twitter exodus lately. I was surprised he's my countryman, I think I would have remembered had he come up in the earlier Mastodon discussions on HN. I always assumed it's a mostly American thing.

jszymborski 4y ago

In fairness, this is also the case with Pleroma (and is largely why Akkoma exists).

vlovich123 4y ago

> but the general consensus seems to be that it can't be used because most users of Mastodon don't align with the Soapbox creator's view on politics This is vague and wasn't immediately obvious to me. What I found online is that there's some kerfuffle over him saying he's not supporting trans rights at the expense of biological women's rights. Did I misunderstand the position or did I capture it accurately?

2Gkashmiri 4y ago
please help me understand, why is that "stand" supposed to influence your or my decision to use or not use their software? its not like WE HAVE TO SUBSCRIBE to their views before installation like those terms and conditions? are we saying a "developer who says bad things about trans people has made bad software and should be avoided like the plague"
- smcn 4y ago
  I guess the idea is that by giving them success you're allowing them to broadcast their opinion to more and more people. At least that's my read on it. Given how big a part trans people have played in the creation of ActivityPub, I get why you would want to avoid people like this in the scene.
  - Tomte 4y ago
    Avoiding people in your community (i.e. your Mastodon instance) is fine. Trying to keep people away from using a protocol (ActivityPub) is insane.
concho 4y ago

well_actulily 4y ago

scrollaway 4y ago

The Mastodon-compatible alternative I'm looking at the most is Takahe: https://github.com/jointakahe/takahe/ https://github.com/jointakahe/takahe/ Its goal is to be lightweight and able to run on low resources and serverless infra. It also supports multi-domain multi-identity. Built on Django.

rcarmo 4y ago
I am running it as of yesterday and it shows a _lot_ of promise. I took it entirely the other way (test instance on a Pi with SQLite) and it is just purring along, although I haven’t yet put any significant load on it (that will likely happen once 0.6 is released and there is better client support).

tbrownaw 4y ago

The about page says it's agpl3. Which doesn't impose any requirements about users having the same politics as the author.

rglullis 4y ago
Tell that to average Mastodon user.

2Gkashmiri 4y ago

what has "software"do do with views of creators? i find this unsettling that people are choosing between projects not based on merits, is one faster, less resource hungry, in a safer language, is compatible with standards, is easy to use or manage or update, can be modified or not, can be piped with other software or not but no. people are concerned about "views of one developer/team"..... so what has "Soapbox creator's view on politics." got to do with "Soapbox[1] is probably the most mature alternative to Mastodon". you are saying both things in one sentence yourself. if soapbox is mature alternative, use it. why should there be a "general consensus" to avoid it?

lou1306 4y ago
A piece of social networking software that gets popular does bring a certain audience/reach to its creator. So "The software is good but I don't want the views of its creator to reach a broader audience" is a valid stance as far as I'm concerned.
- leereeves 4y ago
  > A piece of social networking software that gets popular does bring a certain audience/reach to its creator. Does it? I have no idea who created Mastodon.
  - smcn 4y ago
    You don't? https://time.com/6229230/mastodon-eugen-rochko-interview/ https://time.com/6229230/mastodon-eugen-rochko-interview/
    - Tomte 4y ago
      The name didn't seem to be prominently reported until the Twitter exodus lately. I was surprised he's my countryman, I think I would have remembered had he come up in the earlier Mastodon discussions on HN. I always assumed it's a mostly American thing.