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their entire ad backend is in a state of crisis. i have friends who were on the monetization (read: ads) teams at twitter and every single one of them has been

their entire ad backend is in a state of crisis. i have friends who were on the monetization (read: ads) teams at twitter and every single one of them has been asked/ordered to return to work if they want to collect their severance

dekhn 4y ago
I would like to hear more about this. I haven't seen any reputable news about employees who were severed and then asked to come back.
rightbyte 4y ago
Severance claw back? For real?
dmak 4y ago
Whoa, is this possible? is this even legal?
- meepmorp 4y ago
  By the time they get it in front of a judge, Twitter probably won't exist anymore.
- qqtt 4y ago
  When you hear about layoffs these days, you will usually see terms like "2 months of salary" as part of the severance package. What this actually is, is paying the employee throughout the entire "notice" period of the WARN Act. The WARN Act says that any company doing layoffs must give 60 days notice to employees, so to comply companies layoff employees but keep them on payroll for 2 months to meet the obligations of the law. Technically, if the employee is still on payroll, the company is within it's rights to ask them to continue working, and violating company policy during this time (ie, not even showing up for work) could be grounds for regular termination which would not require any severance payments at all.
  - AlexandrB 4y ago
    IANAL, but this doesn't make any sense. You can't fire someone but actually not really fire them. What if they find another job in the meantime?
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - Spooky23 4y ago
      It’s really gardening leave, because you don’t have a contract. They decided to pay you without requiring work; they can change their minds. In a union job or banking gig where you have a contract, this doesn’t happen. The law in the US doesn’t protect you from this sort of thing. Sometimes they can run afoul of state law though.
    - imgabe 4y ago
      You fire them as of a date two months from now. For those two months they are technically still employed, but do not have to come to work unless asked. Just like when you resign with two weeks notice, you tell them you're going to end your employment in two weeks and you're still employed until then. If the employee finds another job, they should tell them when that job asks "when can you start?" a date after the two month severance period is over. It's not that complicated.
  - dmak 4y ago
    That's really informative, thank you.
ssnistfajen 4y ago
That makes the whole layoff thing even more ridiculous. Turns out Twitter really did need that many people.

dekhn 4y ago

I would like to hear more about this. I haven't seen any reputable news about employees who were severed and then asked to come back.

rightbyte 4y ago

Severance claw back? For real?

dmak 4y ago

Whoa, is this possible? is this even legal?

meepmorp 4y ago
By the time they get it in front of a judge, Twitter probably won't exist anymore.
qqtt 4y ago
When you hear about layoffs these days, you will usually see terms like "2 months of salary" as part of the severance package. What this actually is, is paying the employee throughout the entire "notice" period of the WARN Act. The WARN Act says that any company doing layoffs must give 60 days notice to employees, so to comply companies layoff employees but keep them on payroll for 2 months to meet the obligations of the law. Technically, if the employee is still on payroll, the company is within it's rights to ask them to continue working, and violating company policy during this time (ie, not even showing up for work) could be grounds for regular termination which would not require any severance payments at all.
- AlexandrB 4y ago
  IANAL, but this doesn't make any sense. You can't fire someone but actually not really fire them. What if they find another job in the meantime?
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - Spooky23 4y ago
    It’s really gardening leave, because you don’t have a contract. They decided to pay you without requiring work; they can change their minds. In a union job or banking gig where you have a contract, this doesn’t happen. The law in the US doesn’t protect you from this sort of thing. Sometimes they can run afoul of state law though.
  - imgabe 4y ago
    You fire them as of a date two months from now. For those two months they are technically still employed, but do not have to come to work unless asked. Just like when you resign with two weeks notice, you tell them you're going to end your employment in two weeks and you're still employed until then. If the employee finds another job, they should tell them when that job asks "when can you start?" a date after the two month severance period is over. It's not that complicated.
- dmak 4y ago
  That's really informative, thank you.

ssnistfajen 4y ago

That makes the whole layoff thing even more ridiculous. Turns out Twitter really did need that many people.