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> because Twitter does not ban based on political preferences/opinions. Because the journalists Musk banned were definitely not banned for their opinions on Mu

> because Twitter does not ban based on political preferences/opinions. Because the journalists Musk banned were definitely not banned for their opinions on Musk? I'm going to preempt the 'harassment' argument--the photo Musk posted, when he was claiming that the journalists caused him to be stalked, was found to have been taken an hour after Musk's jet took off and nowhere near any airport.

asteroidbelt 4y ago
> were definitely not banned for their opinions on Musk? They banned because they shared his jet location. > he was claiming that the journalists caused him to be stalked Did he claim that specifically? I'm not sure. But if he did, these claims are probably incorrect. But that does not cancel the fact that journalists were posting jet location after he asked (via twitter policies) not to.
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  > They banned because they shared his jet location. This is false in some cases.
- orwin 4y ago
  One of the journalist didn't even talked about Elonjet, but posted an article about Tesla with data from an insider btw. This claim just fell apart for me when I learned that, do you still believe it's true?
  - asteroidbelt 4y ago
    Can you name the journalists please and some proofs of your accusations? If true, this is serious, but I cannot take it at face value.
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      Taylor Lorenz was suspended for “prior doxxing” (i.e. before the policy change, and why now?) immediately after asking Musk for comment on a story about his allegation that @elonjet was responsible for a stalking incident. https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/elon-musk-bans-washington-post-taylor-lorenz-1235464419/ https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/elon-musk-bans-washing...
      - asteroidbelt 4y ago
        I'm not sure that is true. And she is unsuspended already. Here's her explanation why https://twitter.com/TaylorLorenz/status/1604559889585410048 https://twitter.com/TaylorLorenz/status/1604559889585410048 Here's Musk explanation: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604482428281753601 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604482428281753601 (Sorry, could not post earlier, massively downvoted, so HN prohibits me from posting replies.)
        ceejayoz 4y ago
        > I'm not sure that is true. It's at the very least Musk's explanation. Lorenz's tweet with her offsite links predates the new policy; if they're related, the policy was a retroactive explanation similar to how they made up the "no real-time location" policy after banning @elonjet. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11550753/Taylor-Lorenz-suspended-Twitter-just-tweeting-Elon-Musk-seeking-comment-story.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11550753/Taylor-Lor... has a screenshot of her Tweeting him asking for comment on a story that came out today, https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/18/details-of-musk-stalking-incident/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/18/details.... That, IMO, is the most likely explanation for the action. > And she is unsuspended already. Yes, he's gotten a lot of backlash today.
        asteroidbelt 4y ago
        I think it was this: she tagged Elon (and emailed him), so he went looking at her account. Found some older posts and reported them (maybe his assistant did that). And the account was banned until the links are removed by the account owner (this is how twitter deals with such posts). Taylor Lorenz did enough harm already, for example, revealing identity of libsoftiktok was inappropriate, she is a bad person. I don't think that anything prior to rule introduction should stay forever. If she was forced to delete it, that's fine. But Elon as usual could have managed it better.
    - orwin 4y ago
      Linette Lopez I guess she got banned for reminding musk about the time he doxxed her for reporting on Tesla. They are other examples. And the question isn't if it's true or not. The question was: what would make you change your mind about EM. To me, it was the pedo accusations about a rescuer who refused his 'help'. I then found videos about how fake and dumb the Hyperloop was, and I was done with him.
      - asteroidbelt 4y ago
        > he doxxed her Can you give a link to the source please? > what would make you change your mind about EM I change my mind constantly when I get more information. But my opinion of Musk is not polar either absolute evil and absolute good. When he does something good, I give him a point, when he makes a mistake, I subtract a point. So far Elon was net positive for Twitter. Hyperloop, I don't think this is a big deal. Musk has thousands ideas, not all of them work. I don't care about pedo story. It was inappropriate for sure, but everyone can make mistakes. Who is without sin... I prefer people who make mistakes openly to people who know how signal virtue. In the end, for me, it is important what you do, and not as much, what you say.
        orwin 4y ago
        I don't have the details right. Here is a notoriously right-wing source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11549999/Journalist-suspended-Twitter-claims-Musk-trying-silence-reports-doxxing.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11549999/Journalist...
        asteroidbelt 4y ago
        Can you quote from the article please? Because I don't see it. The closest I get is this: > she accuses Musk of having 'always' doxxed people in an attempt to silence critics of his treatment of employees
        orwin 4y ago
        I think this article explained well that she in fact wasn't tweeting about Elonjet but about the time he doxxed an ex-employeur. I remember it was before the idiotic pedophilia accusations, he retweeted someone who doxxed her email address after tweeting about her like 5 times in a row, i thought 'wow, not cool'. Here what I found [0]: "This is worse than just stalking: Musk is setting his army of fanboys loose on Lopez, he’s retweeting stuff they find, and he’s encouraging them every step of the way. Milo Yiannopoulos was banned from Twitter for setting mobs upon his enemies; Musk should be banned too, but won’t be." [0] https://slate.com/business/2018/07/elon-musks-attacks-on-reporter-linette-lopez-need-to-stop.html https://slate.com/business/2018/07/elon-musks-attacks-on-rep...

asteroidbelt 4y ago

> were definitely not banned for their opinions on Musk? They banned because they shared his jet location. > he was claiming that the journalists caused him to be stalked Did he claim that specifically? I'm not sure. But if he did, these claims are probably incorrect. But that does not cancel the fact that journalists were posting jet location after he asked (via twitter policies) not to.

ceejayoz 4y ago
> They banned because they shared his jet location. This is false in some cases.
orwin 4y ago
One of the journalist didn't even talked about Elonjet, but posted an article about Tesla with data from an insider btw. This claim just fell apart for me when I learned that, do you still believe it's true?
- asteroidbelt 4y ago
  Can you name the journalists please and some proofs of your accusations? If true, this is serious, but I cannot take it at face value.
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    Taylor Lorenz was suspended for “prior doxxing” (i.e. before the policy change, and why now?) immediately after asking Musk for comment on a story about his allegation that @elonjet was responsible for a stalking incident. https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/elon-musk-bans-washington-post-taylor-lorenz-1235464419/ https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/elon-musk-bans-washing...
    - asteroidbelt 4y ago
      I'm not sure that is true. And she is unsuspended already. Here's her explanation why https://twitter.com/TaylorLorenz/status/1604559889585410048 https://twitter.com/TaylorLorenz/status/1604559889585410048 Here's Musk explanation: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604482428281753601 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604482428281753601 (Sorry, could not post earlier, massively downvoted, so HN prohibits me from posting replies.)
      - ceejayoz 4y ago
        > I'm not sure that is true. It's at the very least Musk's explanation. Lorenz's tweet with her offsite links predates the new policy; if they're related, the policy was a retroactive explanation similar to how they made up the "no real-time location" policy after banning @elonjet. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11550753/Taylor-Lorenz-suspended-Twitter-just-tweeting-Elon-Musk-seeking-comment-story.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11550753/Taylor-Lor... has a screenshot of her Tweeting him asking for comment on a story that came out today, https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/18/details-of-musk-stalking-incident/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/18/details.... That, IMO, is the most likely explanation for the action. > And she is unsuspended already. Yes, he's gotten a lot of backlash today.
        asteroidbelt 4y ago
        I think it was this: she tagged Elon (and emailed him), so he went looking at her account. Found some older posts and reported them (maybe his assistant did that). And the account was banned until the links are removed by the account owner (this is how twitter deals with such posts). Taylor Lorenz did enough harm already, for example, revealing identity of libsoftiktok was inappropriate, she is a bad person. I don't think that anything prior to rule introduction should stay forever. If she was forced to delete it, that's fine. But Elon as usual could have managed it better.
  - orwin 4y ago
    Linette Lopez I guess she got banned for reminding musk about the time he doxxed her for reporting on Tesla. They are other examples. And the question isn't if it's true or not. The question was: what would make you change your mind about EM. To me, it was the pedo accusations about a rescuer who refused his 'help'. I then found videos about how fake and dumb the Hyperloop was, and I was done with him.
    - asteroidbelt 4y ago
      > he doxxed her Can you give a link to the source please? > what would make you change your mind about EM I change my mind constantly when I get more information. But my opinion of Musk is not polar either absolute evil and absolute good. When he does something good, I give him a point, when he makes a mistake, I subtract a point. So far Elon was net positive for Twitter. Hyperloop, I don't think this is a big deal. Musk has thousands ideas, not all of them work. I don't care about pedo story. It was inappropriate for sure, but everyone can make mistakes. Who is without sin... I prefer people who make mistakes openly to people who know how signal virtue. In the end, for me, it is important what you do, and not as much, what you say.
      - orwin 4y ago
        I don't have the details right. Here is a notoriously right-wing source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11549999/Journalist-suspended-Twitter-claims-Musk-trying-silence-reports-doxxing.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11549999/Journalist...
        asteroidbelt 4y ago
        Can you quote from the article please? Because I don't see it. The closest I get is this: > she accuses Musk of having 'always' doxxed people in an attempt to silence critics of his treatment of employees
        orwin 4y ago
        I think this article explained well that she in fact wasn't tweeting about Elonjet but about the time he doxxed an ex-employeur. I remember it was before the idiotic pedophilia accusations, he retweeted someone who doxxed her email address after tweeting about her like 5 times in a row, i thought 'wow, not cool'. Here what I found [0]: "This is worse than just stalking: Musk is setting his army of fanboys loose on Lopez, he’s retweeting stuff they find, and he’s encouraging them every step of the way. Milo Yiannopoulos was banned from Twitter for setting mobs upon his enemies; Musk should be banned too, but won’t be." [0] https://slate.com/business/2018/07/elon-musks-attacks-on-reporter-linette-lopez-need-to-stop.html https://slate.com/business/2018/07/elon-musks-attacks-on-rep...